I always said wait until the counterculture hippies grew up and they got into positions of power. Well that day has arrived and they have taken control of the education system, political system, national media, and the religious systems of America. They also produced postmodern brainwashed children who now believe themselves to be the norm. So unless real Christians and real conservatives win this cultural war it is the end of this nation. When the far left hippies and their offspring gain total control they will embrace a totally pagan fascist world system. Woe to any who oppose them.
Had anyone said that America would decline this rapidly fifty years ago people would have thought you were smoking dope. Now half of our society is smoking dope or worse and they all think that they are perfectly sane. The Democrat running for President even claimed to be a crack user himself but does anyone care? The Democrat running for President never distinguished himself in any position he ever held but does anyone care? The hippies and their offspring just want change toward a secular idealism that is not possible with man’s evil nature. They like murder of the unborn to be their own choice, so they all hail the Obamanation. They like it that homosexuality is destroying morality in America so they will have no moral restraints, so they all hail the Obamanation. They think Christianity is creating a world utopia on earth for people to continue in their abominations, so they all hail the Obamanation. All the idol worshipers now worship the Obamanation because he has the same demented values of the old hippies and their young offspring.
Christian Worldview Network – Brannon Howse – Jezebel and the Cultural Creatives
The Emergent Village and “progressive” Christian liberalism are but a drop in the progressive bucket. To their left, “cultural creatives” or “new progressives” are brimming over with an optimistic vision for taking political power.
Who are the “cultural creatives”? They define themselves as the “organic food-buying, national-health-care-supporting, yoga-practicing, misunderstood counter-culturalists.” According to the high-end spirituality magazine, What Is Enlightenment? (August/October, 2008), their ranks continue to swell, thanks to Al Gore’s movie, Barack Obama’s “change”, and Eckhardt Tolle and Oprah Winfrey’s “New Earth” webinar (see NC #47). This movement favors “ecological sustainability (read: green collectivism), non-traditional spirituality (neo-pagan religion), civil rights (rights for all sexual expressions) and grassroots politics (non-democratic, non-governmental organizations working under the geo-political umbrella of the United Nations). They also distinguish themselves from “modernism” (secular humanism) and “traditionalism” (Christianity).
Their appearance is of immense historical and religious significance. They explicitly identify themselves as inheritors of the “values revolution [of] the Sixties [that] is still developing and maturing.”
They are the maturing fruit of a development that no one expected. We all thought the Sixties was an ephemeral social event driven by marginal drop-out hippies. Whoops, they dropped back in! In the Left Coast New Age spirituality we witnessed the first signs of a major religious and social revolution. Its conquering march through the institutions has established as normative a worldview of drug-aided mystical, neo-pagan spirituality, radical egalitarianism and total sexual license. The marginal cult has now morphed into a master plan, a full-blown all-inclusive spiritual worldview to transform every aspect of life on the planet. The bizarre views of the Sixties counter-culturalists, though few knew it, signaled the disturbing germination, in “Christian” America, of the age-old alternative to biblical theism, namely spiritual paganism.
That’s exactly what the Neo-Evangelical movement has become. A bunch of hippies that want to rebel against the materialistic Capitalist establishment. Christian environmentalists that will tell you to wear 2nd handed clothing, limit your consumption of meat or becoming a vegetarian (over my dead body!), buy environmentally friendly products, avoid using your car, buy “fair” trade products. They are full of talk about the dangers of materialism but fail to realize it ‘s a moral problem. Instead, they go on adopting Marxist rhetoric and demonizing free enterprise as if business owners were all a bunch of greedy bastards and the cause of the problems we have today (e.g. the pole caps melting due to man-made global warming… oh my) . They can’t even correctly identify the real problems! They focus entirely on outward things and they hardly say anything about real sins and the fundamental importance of the traditonal family because that might seem too intolerant and old-fashioned for a group of young rebels with long hair and tattoos, “rocking for Christ!” Oh and we must be politically “nicer” to immigrants that would like to impose the Sharia on us, too. In fact, they are even an example to us in their devotion to Allah! Read your Bibles and study some Church history instead if you want some GOOD and biblical examples of what godly and devoted lives are supposed to be for us Christians!
Another problem is they can’t distinguish between the role of gov’t, the individual, the family and the role of the Church. They are spiritually immature people with little understanding and they don’t interprete Scripture as God’s Word and will for us, but read it as if it were some guide to economics. Not in its Wealth of Nations version, though. They adopt all sorts of worldliness and become hardly distinguishable from the unsaved out there in the world under bondage to sin – but they claim to do so just to attract those “materialistic” people to church? Yeah, right. I’ve seen enough of that and I conclude it is because they are worldly themselves. That new, “sustainable and Christian lifestyle” they promote is nothing more than outward display that really has little to do with sound Christian doctrine – if anything at all.
I don’t wish to be part of that new politically correct hippie Christianity. It’s not Christian. It stinks and makes me want to vomit. I’d rather doing things like sharing the Gospel with Muslims, reading Puritan literature or defending my family instead of singing hallelujah to the nth power on some Rock tune and going on a vegetarian diet! Anyone who tries to force me to give up my beliefs in favor of this new, enlightened and tolerant “Christianity” can quite frankly kiss my butt.
I once read about some (neo) Evangelical Christian hypocrit I think it was in the Netherlands who actually stopped working and now lives of a gov’t granted minimum wage and suggested us to do the same since we should live simple! Is that how to take care of your family? I call it parasitism! What’s wrong with productiveness? You’re doing society a greater service by working and taking care of your family than you are doing by living of other people’s money!
As for those hippie politicians, where the heck is McCarthy when you need him?! 😡
El Nasrani, you are correct on SIN being the reason for societal ills. But you are not suppose to tell anyone that their sin is why everything is going to hell in a hand basket. It is just not politically correct to let anyone know that they are a sinner. Oh, and I am not even suppose to tell my self that either because of my low self esteem problem. I hope you can see the sarcasm dripping from this statement.
shut up im 16 and yes im the product of the hippies in which you speak.
Shut up… me thinks you are putting us on, the product of the hippies can hardly read or write…. Hmmm
you guys are so childish…….why cant we all jsut get along…….what would jesus do?
Hay worst nightmare, You have no clue what Jesus would do. I once wrote an article just for people who think like you.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/What%20would%20Jesus%20do.htm
There are many Christians out there today that say it is ok to have a tattoo. They say we are not under the law in Leviticus. Jesus said that He came to fulfill the law not to do away with it. I know we do not have to do the ceremonial and sacrificial laws because these laws represented what Jesus was going to do in the future. These Christians also think like if a law is not repeated in the new testament then Jesus has done away with a law. I guess these Christians think that Jesus “sanctified” certain sins.
I would just like to say that I agree with that view, Justin. Those people you are talking about are like the Red Letter Christians that like to present Jesus as some commie hero. Although we are not under the Law, the Spirit does not teach against it. People who say that we’re under grace and not under the Law and therefore none of the Law is relevant to us simply miss the whole point of the Law. The Law reveals sin and many of the laws that we don’t have to adhere to anymore were there to set the Israelites apart from the pagans. Even the Law itself literally says that it ought to be written in the hearts of people and that Law is summed up by a love for God and secondly, the love of your neigbor. Jesus was not a revolutionary but a reactionary who responded to the corrupted teachings of men that went against the true purpose of the Law. Of course, His sacrifice did mark the end for the ceremonial and other laws, and we also know that we are not expected to follow the dietary laws thanks to a direct revelation to St Peter.
Many of the moral laws (which I believe are still applicable today) went against the practises of various ancient pagan cultures that were and are a reflection of man’s and nature’s corruption. As such, people who support homosexuality and tattoos might want to ask themselves whether they are Christians or pagans, or how they wish to be known to the world. I recommend that they go read about pagan practises such as tattooing and all sorts of piercings. It was not merely to appear more “beautiful” (not that I find such things beautiful myself). These practises were linked to religious beliefs and rituals. Go watch the tattoo ceremonies in Buddhist countries, for instance, where people go in trance after being tattooed in a traditional way by monks. There are many parallels that can be drawn between the ancient and modern world, and the Law can still be a moral guide to us. After all, Christians are like the ancient Israelites, set apart and freed by Christ. I believe the Church hasn’t replaced the people of Israel since God still has plans for them, but we are children of Abraham and Israelites, albeit in a spiritual way.
nasrani
nasrani, u are right.
There are many Christians that do not know purposes of certain laws in the Bible.
To me tattoos has a evil scent even though some will try to “Christianize” it by tattooing a cross or some christian logo on their skin. Tattoo is a perverse form of art.
I personally think for example if a government of a country took the principles of the Old Testament to run a country. They would not have problems like the US and others in the world.
I have a question. when Paul in 1 Corinthians 10:23 when he states “All things are lawful for me” what does he mean by this? Some people will use this part of the passage to justify tattoo wearing and body piercing or other sins. I believe this is the verse some Christians will use to support their “freedom in Christ”. Now I do believe that we are free in Christ but we are freed from the bondage of sin, not to commit sin. I just wanted to make sure I understand what that part of the passage is saying so that I can refute those who tries to use Scripture to justify Christian tattoos and other stuff.
Paul was talking about the Church not being bound by the Jewish laws of ritual since the Church is under a higher Law of Faith. But our freedom in Christ from keeping the letter of the Jewish Law does not mean that we are free to harm others in the Body. But lets also put this in proper perspective so we don’t tend toward legalism. Many in the Church at that time were Jews and they took offense to those who did not follow Jewish customs. Paul was saying not to offend them. Today Obviously the things Paul was talking about in that passage is not much of a factor in the western Church.
Nevertheless, those who use this passage as some sort of freedom to abuse their bodies are missing the point and are wrong for other reasons. If we abuse our bodies we will reap the consequences and how does this abuse bring honor to Christ and His Church? We should also remember that anything not done in faith is sin (Rom 14:23). How can one have faith that God’s will is for people to abuse themselves when God’s law clearly forbids such abuse? They also overlook the subsequent passage that says “Give none offense, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:” Obviously some in the world are offended by tattoos and stuff so Christians should avoid such practices.
Thank you for answering my question.
Another observation I’d like to me here. Basic Christianity correctly holds that God is a Trinity and God does not change. The same God who took on the flesh and died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins, created the heavens and the earth, and this is the same God who gave the Israelites the Law – not to punish and opress, but to guide the Israelites and lead them to salvation. Apparently a lot of self-professed Christians don’t realize the implications of believing in the Trinity.
Jesus nowhere acted against the Law. It is by His sacrifice that parts of the Law were annulled. Later revelation made it clear we were not expected to follow the dietary laws either. The Spirit teaches against immorality and in that it affirms the moral parts of the Law. Why is that? Because the Holy Spirit and Jesus are God, period. God does not simply change His mind and He certainly will not teach against His own teachings. People who mock and disregard the Law as if it were backward and barbaric are really blasphemers who do not know the Triune God. Yet they all seem to agree on the virtue of the Ten Commandments. Never mind that the Decalogue as well as Jesus’ Golden Rule were taken from that barbaric Law. The same God who gave the Law to the prophet Moses, preached the Gospel through His Son.
“Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.” — Matthew 7:12
Here’s an article that I largely agree with that gives a good explanation of how I see the relationship between Law and Gospel:
http://www.the-highway.com/law1_Alderson.html
I don’t want to make any theological debate out of this. The bottomline is clear, no matter what your theological take you have on Law and Gospel might be:
God is Triune, His will is eternal, and neither Jesus or His Spirit teach us Christians anything that goes against the underlying moral principles of the Law. We are supposed to be God’s people, saved and elected by God’s grace. Like the ancient Israelites, we are urged not to conform to the ways of those who don’t walk in Christ, our Savior, and our God.
nasrani
I agree with u nasrani except I do not see the Law as a guide. I see the Law as the Law. If we disobey the Law bad consequences shall follow. Most churches in America do not know the purposes of certain laws. The website link u posted did a good job of explaining the different types of Laws in the Old Testament.
I know what you are saying but we have to careful here so no one reading this post is misled to think that keeping the written law is what Christianity is about. If man could keep the law we would not need Christ. The law was given to show us our sin and our need for God’s Savior. Believers always have been and always will be justified by “the Law of Faith”.
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
1 ¶ What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
9 ¶ Cometh this blessedness then upon the circumcision only, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say that faith was reckoned to Abraham for righteousness.
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.
11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.
13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Ga 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Therefore, the righteous walk by faith. Those who walk in the Spirit fulfill all law.
Ga 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
We are getting off the post topic here.
Allow me just add the following. The article is written from an orthodox Reformed point, and the article is entirely compatible with its teachings affirming Sola Fide (justification through Faith alone) and Sola Gratia (salvation by God’s grace alone). It’s important to realize that they do NOT advocate that Christians keep the Law like the Messianic Jewish groups do at all. In the article this is actually correctly refuted as legalism. What they are saying is that moral Law is applicable but not in the sense that we are bound under the entire Law as the ancient Israelites were. Rather, the Moral Law is God’s universal and unchanging Law which we as Christians are only enabled to live by through God’s grace and through the indwelling of the Spirit. Christians nevertheless do have to obey God’s universal moral laws, and so do all people. But man has nevertheless always been saved by God’s grace because he’s fallible and sinful.
Christian liberty does not amount to lawlessness, I think we can all agree on that. The problem is, what does “lawlessness” imply if we are said not to be under the Law? Does that mean we have to keep the Jewish (“Mosaic”) Law or that there is some kind of Law we have to live by after all? The article I posted elaborated on that. Jesus lived by the Law and for good reason. We, as Christians, live by “Christ’s Law” of grace and faith through God the Holy Spirit. Christ’s Law is the same as the virtues of the Holy Spirit which affirm God’s Moral Law and therefore also the moral principles written in the Mosaic Law.
Justin, or anyone reading this, please be careful not to draw the wrong conclusions from what I said. For instance, living by the Moral Law does not imply that we are to stone adulterers, because that is civic law and not applicable to Christians, as the sacrifice of Christ fulfilled the need for such penalties. For more info on the different takes on Law and Gospel, the Wikipedia article might be a good start. Also, if anyone disagrees with the Reformed stance of the article, the principles of Sola Fide and Sola Gratia still apply because this is really basic Christianity no matter how you look at it. I’m totally with Don on that. Having said that, I would also recommend any serious Christian of whatever theological background to actually read the Mosaic Law. It is full of wisdom and truth that is equally important for Christians in these days where the Church is like Israel, infested with and surrounded by paganism.
I agree it’s gone too far off topic so this was my last reply on this topic. Thanks a lot for publishing the comments though.
LOL this is hillarious
I stumbled upon this article while researching my term paper, after reading I was astonished, and absolutely DISGUSTED by this article. As a Christian myself, I have been taught to teach others about the love of Jesus by showing love, not spitting on a counter cultural movement for their beliefs and on their future generations. Further more, I am absolutely stunned that a person of your “intellectual insight” would believe far- left liberals would be capable of fascism, when fascism itself is a far right movement. I don’t recall Obama ever saying he used illegal narcotics, spreading this propaganda about the president is not respectful. As for abortion, a women has a right a right to choose what to do with her own body, whether it is right or wrong, the choice is hers and no one else should be able to dictate what she does it. Homosexuality is NOT ruining the sanctity of marriage. Gay couples that choose to be married, actually love each other. While half straight marriages end in divorce, is that Godliness?
I am sorry if you do not agree with the President but maybe you are the problem in the world. Your writings are dripping of hatefulness, prejudices and in some cases racism. Hippies aren’t turning the world off to Christianity, it’s hateful, egotistical Christians as yourself. If you are a man of God, you will love as He does.
Megan, this was posted before Obama became President and He does not deny using crack Cocaine. This confession of Obama is documented in his own book so get educated before you say I made false accusations about the President. The article was written so that people would not choose such a flawed man to be President but obviously most in this nation could have cared less at the time.
Homosexuality is perversion and is also self murder. Homosexual males live 20 years shorter lives than heterosexuals and they spread all sorts of VD to each other and the general population. This is documented in this article which is also based on documented medical facts.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=125862
Woman do not have the right to kill. Killing human beings in their womb is not their right.
Your quite wrong about Fascism as well, it is a left wing view. It is your education that is faulty most of the people in our education systems are brainwashed with such nonsense. The long name for Nazi is the National Socialism Party so how does a socialist party become right ring? Joe Farah will explain this to you in this article that he wrote just today.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=125603
When someone like you says they are a Christian and then takes every position contrary to the Bible I have to wonder what your Christianity is even founded on? It certainly is not founded on the Bible or the teachings of the founder of the Bible, Jesus Christ.
Jesus does not love sins He died to save sinners that repent from their sins and die to the flesh with Him to live by the Spirit. All sins separate us from God. If I love like Jesus loves it means telling people that if they are practicing such things they are either still lost and dead in their sins and need a Savior or if they actually are a Christians they are flaunting practices that God calls abominations and the things He hates. They are grieving the Holy Spirit. God knows how to deal with rebellious sons and daughters, it is best for any Christian not to put themselves in that position.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
You’re absolutely correct, no one has the right to kill. But when does life start? At conception or later on? At week 2 of a pregnancy out of 46 chromosomes the embryo has 2, the sex chromosomes, making this not even a embryo at all but a cell, this cell goes undergoes mitosis, multiplying into several other cells. This group of cells is a morula. Week 4 is when the embryo actually begins to form as does the amnion and the yoke sac. Week 5 is when the mass of cells beings to form a heart. So life doesn’t actually start until week 5, so is it still murder is you abort before that?
Fascism is defined as a political movement that exalts the nation and race over the individual. Whereas liberal is defined as broadminded, not strict.
In the Bible, we are told homosexuality is a sin, in Leviticus we are also told it is a abomination to eat pork, shell fish, animal fat, and yet I am sure you still eat it. All sins are seen as equal in God’s eyes.
I say I am a Christian because I am, I have spent the past 5 summers on mission trips bringing the word of God to people through love, service, and acceptance. I have preached in Sunday services, sang in the choir and I have taught Sunday school. My faith is founded on my Lord and Savior and the basic principle, “First take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”(Matthew 7:5). I don’t tell others how to live because how can one sinner tell another sinner how to live their life? Jesus told us not to judge because that is His job. I love these sinners, no matter what their action, because God loves these sinners.
If you would stop judging these people because of their mistakes, and start loving on them, you will start to see a change in the world; when you love, you teach love. And love is more powerful than any then any article you write on this page. I understand I will never change your mind, you seem set in your ways but try to see more things from 2 sides.
“And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him.” (1 John 4:16)
It might be your own opinion that life begins at five weeks but obviously everyone does not agree and they should not be forced by government to pay for other peoples opinions and abortions. Also how can you support abortion for those who choose it after five weeks if even you think it is murder? By the way Obama still supports late term abortion and is using American tax funds to pay for it all over the world.
You have a strange definition of Fascism you must be getting your definitions out of some far left revision of the word.
Try this one
http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/Fascism.html
Your definition of a liberal is also from the point of view of a liberal.
This link more accurately defines the political liberals of today.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Liberal
All sins are not equal in the sight of God some like homosexuality are even called abominations. The reason you cannot find any Jewish ceremonial laws in the New Testament is because they were only for the Jews to keep. However, you can find teaching against Homosexuality in the New Testament. But even you admit it is a sin and obviously sin is not something that Christians should support and embrace in a decent society..
Mission trips, service, preaching, singing in choir etc does not make anyone a Christian. You must believe that Jesus died for your sins and be born of the Spirit to be a true Christian.
Living “by First taking the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.”(Matthew 7:5).” does not apply to those who were never saved and are not brethren in Christ. People dead in there sins do not have specks in their eyes they are totally blind.
Peter Paul and John told Christians how to live in their letters. So why suggest that Christians are not supposed to tell others what we know? We are to judge what is right from the scriptures otherwise we would know nothing. do you not even know that Christians will judge the world.?
1Co 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
Christians do not judge other sinners because sinners are already judged and separated from God. They are dead in their sins. They must be saved. That is why Christians were told to give the gospel of good news to those with ears to hear. The Good news is that Jesus died for the sins of the world so that all that believe in Him will not perish but have everlasting life. If you are not teaching that man must be saved from their sins you are offering no one anything of eternal consequence.
Love is telling the world the truth about Jesus so they can be saved. Hating people is to be able to give them the words of eternal life but instead offer them a temporal cheap humanistic substitute.
The problem is that like most political liberals the Christian love that you claim to offer really appears to be humanism. Humanism is not Christianity. Mankind must be saved from their sins. Loving people in their sins means you tell sinners how they can be saved.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/What%20is%20required%20of%20you%20for%20God%20to%20save%20your%20soul%20for%20eternity.htm
I never admitted to being liberal, for all you know, I could be neutral. I got my definition from a neutral source, the dictionary(image that), your links are completely right winged. I do believe that Jesus died for my sins in fact this is all I believe;
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Maker of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived by the Holy Ghost,
born of the virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, dead, and buried;
He descended into hell.
The third day He arose again from the dead;
He ascended into heaven,
and sitteth on the right hand of God the Father Almighty;
from thence he shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Ghost;
the holy catholic church;
the communion of saints;
the forgiveness of sins;
the resurrection of the body;
and the life everlasting.
Now as a Christian I will judge you, in love and tell you all your sins;
You are a Christian Neo-Nazi. You are trying to suppress races, sexes and other religions to fit in a nice little box you’ve constructed. But I can’t understand why you care what anyone else does?Chill out!
Humanism is A system of thought that rejects religious beliefs and centers on humans and their values, capacities, and worth. Obviously, I have a religion.
Did you even finish high school? You have NO idea what you are talking about!!! People like you are the problem in this world! All you do is HATE because you are so insecure about yourself. Honestly, the first time I read your propaganda filled garbage I felt sick to my stomach, people like you are SICK. I am so glad “Hippies” run this world because they are more intelligent then your capable of. You are stuck in the pig pen filth of your own sin. Sorry someone came into your world and disagreed.
So you know how to copy the Apostles Creed verbatim? Wow I am impressed. You say that is all you believe? Well if that is all you believe about God’s word maybe you should study more than just a rote creed and show yourself approved. In other words study the whole Bible.
My links posted for you mainly come from the right because the right is usually right. I guess in your mind that would include the link to the way of salvation I posted as well? Funny with all your high minded talk I have yet to hear any Christian plan of salvation for the lost coming from you?
Many people in this nation are now realizing that big government social programs (socialism) have bankrupted this nation and socialists and humanist social engineering in our educational systems and media are thoroughly corrupting America. You will find out soon enough what the communists hippies you love so much have done to America. For example, we are not getting out of this depression. You do not create jobs by robbing the productive and giving the money to a new class of slaves called government dependents. The greatest depression has just started.
You think you can judge me by a few paragraphs I wrote on on one post? I have written thousands of articles on hundreds of topics that document what I teach and the articles themselves prove that your judgment is rash and flaky. I love it when liberals come here and lecture me about not judging those that are destroying America through immorality yet they think they can judge me on the bases of one article.
I certainly am not a Neo-Nazi. I have written many articles against Fascism and its close cousins called Socialism, Communism and Obamaism. I am not trying to suppress races and sexes that is just part of your faulty rash judgment. At least read what I write on issues before you make such rash racist and sexist remarks
You probably gave us your own problem yourself when you said you have a religion. Christianity is not a religion it is being born into the family of God. Religion never saved anyone. You might read this.
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/salvation-comes-by-keeping-a-religion.html
I am not saying that you are not a Christian. I can’t judge that but what I can judge is that you do not have a Christian worldview. If your wordview is that of the world and you claim to be a Christian I have to wonder why that is? Which brings this whole conversation full circle. Perhaps you just have not studied the instructions given to the Church – read the Bible. You also might read.my website and Blog it should help you gain understanding from a Christian worldview.
Did I finish high school? Should that really matter to a true Christian? The world educational system has nothing to offer Christians so why toot the horn of the government socialist indoctrinators and brain washers as if their credentials are something for us to behold? Jesus never graduated from high school or any of the apostles either as far as I know. They heard from the Holy Spirit. He does not need diplomas. Just for the record I have a college degree and got it while there was still a bit of sanity in the educational system.
You have yet to come up with any biblical arguments for supporting your positions against what I said here but that is typical of liberals. Forget honest debate on Christian issues just start throwing mud at people that you disagree with and call them Nazi’s and racists. You obviously have been thoroughly indoctrinated by your liberal mentors.
Therefore, I tell you, her many sins have been forgiven–for she
loved much. But he who has been forgiven little loves little.”(Matt 7:47)
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has
any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through
love.(Gal 5:6)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness,
goodness, faithfulness, and self control (Gal 22)
No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us
and his love is made complete in us.(1John 4:12)
If anyone says, “I love God,” yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For
anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God,
whom he has not seen.(1John 4:20)
Love your neighbor as yourself. (Matt 19:39)
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not
love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. (1 Co 13:1)
2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all
knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not
love, I am nothing.
3 If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,
but have not love, I gain nothing. (1Co 13 2-3)
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of
these is love. (1 Co 13:13)
Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food.
If one of you says to him, “Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well
fed,” but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it?
In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action,
is dead. (Jam 1:15-17)
Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives
freedom,because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been
merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment! (James 1:12-13)
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy. (Matt 5:7)
Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.(Luke 6:36)
But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to
rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the
unrighteous (Matt 5:44-45)
P.s. I never said I was a liberal. I am not a registered voter therefore, I am independent.
I didn’t copy the Apostles Creed, I can recite it.
Yes, education is important and will always be important.
What does your ability to clip scriptures have to do with the price of tea in China? Nobody is denying any of those scriptures taken in proper context. The real argument is with your claims about what I said in this post and your rash judgments about me in your comments.
By the way, not registering to vote does not make you a independent. Also, you can be a independent and still have liberal political views. For example, the votes of Independents in this nation were very instrumental in just putting a socialist into the presidency.
Most Catholics and mainline protestants can recite the Apostles Creed by rote but they general do not have Christian worldviews. I just wrote a article on this and the proof is in the article.
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/views-from-christians-that-lack-a-christian-worldview.html
Secular higher education is not important for one to have a Christian worldview. It actually hinders some Christians not grounded in the faith and the word of God.
What is a Liberal Christian?
Sometimes liberals are thought to be Christians who have backslidden; people who don’t have enough faith, or are too “in the world.” Actually, nothing could be farther from the truth. Liberal Christians are committed believers in the Lord Jesus Christ, who have thoroughly studied the scriptures and traditions of the Church, and have examined their faith in the light of reason and experience.
Perhaps the defining characteristic of liberal Christians is that they are comfortable with ambiguity and diversity. They realize that life is a complex spiritual journey, and that each person on that journey is confronted with unexpected revelations and unique experiences. Liberal Christians therefore welcome a variety of approaches to understanding God, and are open to new ways of talking about the divine. Religious questions are seen as complex, and answers only tentative. Certain that “now we see through a glass, darkly” (1 Cor. 13:12), liberals are cautious about making dogmatic statements or claiming to have a monopoly on the truth. They see the search for truth as an ongoing task, rather than one that has already been completed.
Conservative Christians are often content to answer religious questions by appealing to the absolute authority of Scripture. Liberal Christians, on the other hand, find such an approach to be flawed. Many see the Bible as a witness to revelation, or generally inspired, rather than completely inspired in all its parts. Just as Jesus was fully human and wholey divine, so one must also see the Bible as a product of both human and divine influences. Indeed, liberal Christians are quick to point out that the falleness and imperfection of its human authors gives the Bible an imperfect quality and authority.
Liberals view Scripture through a critical lens, and are not afraid to challenge traditional assumptions and interpretations. They rely heavily on higher criticism of the Bible, which looks into the origin and composition of the biblical texts, revealing a great deal about the human aspect of Scripture. Modern philosophical, biological, and cosmological theories that are well supported by evidence, and reflect the true nature of the world around us, can also shape the way liberals interpret Scripture. Traditional Christian doctrines, such as the Virgin Birth, the Atonement, the Trinity, the deity of Christ, and the Resurrection, are sometimes given new interpretations by liberals.
Perhaps more so than evangelical and Fundamentalist Christians, liberal Christians see the teachings of Jesus as having a central place. Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience are each given equal footing in determining Christian faith.
Imminent and personal images of God in Scripture are attractive to liberals. For some this takes on the form of a belief in panentheism (Everything-in-God-ism). Liberals also see little distinction between the natural and the supernatural, and therefore do not look for “miracles” to confirm the existence of God. Instead, they feel that faith in God allows one to see the Spirit moving in the everyday stuff of life.
The concept of personal salvation is not typically stressed by liberal Christians. Accordingly, traditional images of heaven, hell, and the End Times are not given much weight in their theologies. When salvation is discussed, liberals are more apt to stress its “this worldly” aspects, and appeal to a universalist interpretation of Scripture when confronted with questions of eternal punishment and rewards.
For many liberal Christians, social justice is a central concern, and the transformation of society, rather than that of the individual, is more typically stressed. Equality for racial minorities, women, homosexuals, and the economically disadvantaged is seen as an essential part of the Gospel message. A concern for the environment, and other typically liberal social issues, also find a great deal of support among liberal Christians.
Liberals tend to stress the centrality of community in the Christian experience. They can be found in almost all churches (from Roman Catholic to Southern Baptist), but tend to be in greater numbers in the mainline Protestant denominations: American Baptist Churches, USA; Disciples of Christ; Episcopal Church; Evangelical Lutheran Church in America; Presbyterian Church, USA; United Church of Christ, and the United Methodist Church.
I find many of the liberal Christian views on God, salvation, women, homosexuality, Scripture, and Creation to be convincing. When I was an evangelical Christian, I often felt the need to wash over historical and scientific evidence with “faith” because the world around me did not mesh with my preconceived notion about Scripture. I had questions about Evolution, the Bible, other religions, etc., but those questions were always met with criticism or simplistic answers by my fellow evangelical believers. I feel this article sums up…
Sorry to post another comment, but I ran out of characters.
That article, I feel, sums up my beliefs.
As a child of 17, I may be liberal at the moment, I still have much more maturing to do before I make up my mind. But yes, my family is liberal. My great uncle(Bob Crawford) was a senator in Florida 1982 to 1990, then went on to become Florida senate president, then Florida Department of Agriculture, State Commissioner.
Growing up in the south myself, I have been around much racism and many people in my home state hate Obama only because he is a black man but they blame it on other things, like Socialism. My heart hurts for people who think like that and I think maybe that’s why I was so appalled by this article, but if Obama being black has nothing to do with your veiws, then I respect what you believe and I am sorry for what I might have said that offended you. But, my beliefs are still the same.
I believe that our one of main differences, with no disrespect, is that I believe the Bible is up to my interpretation while you take the scripture literally.
Reading through your other articles, it’s hard for me to sometimes understand where you are coming from when we obviously have 2 different ideas of what a liberal Christian is, making some things offensive. But like I said, I’m sorry if I have offended you but I think you should realize that us liberal Christians have a very different view of what a liberal Christian is than you do.
Actually what you said in these last two comments says it all about liberals. But you really should give credits when you copy articles as if they are your own. As your comments indicate liberals do not really believe the Bible is the word of God. That is why their worldview is not Christian and they look for new truth in all the wrong places. What you described as a liberal Christians would hardly be described as a true Christian by a Bible believing Christian.
Hopefully over the years you will learn that the Word of God is infallible because Jesus Himself and His apostles confirmed that all scripture is from God. The many proofs of scriptures are irrefutable by any honest person. I suggest you get a good book on Christian apologetics so you can defend the truths of your faith and also become fully convinced of scripture reliability.
I also hope you will realize that man is saved by grace through faith alone. I do not know how one can have real faith in Jesus when they have doubts about the scriptures that He personally inspired.
I do not regard the color of the skin of any person. Obama’s skin color has nothing to do with my views of Him. There are some blacks blacker than coal that I highly admire.
Your correct to say that I take the Bible literally and you do not and that is our big differences. All apologies are accepted about your rash judgment of me but I do stand by what I said on this article.
I give a literal Bible believing viewpoint and frankly there is no other infallible source for a Christians to base their faith on. At 17 you do not have to have it all figured out but if you really do need to protect yourself from worldly deceptions by finding out why the word of God is totally trustworthy. If you do not you will be unduly influenced by worldly philosophies that oppose Christian truths.
A good study of the old testament will show what God thinks of interpreting what God says with what/who we see around us and blending them in with the commandments of God. Israel was warned many times about these practices and also judged many times for them.
Therefore God is against as quoted above:
“Liberal Christians therefore welcome a variety of approaches to understanding God, and are open to new ways of talking about the divine. Religious questions are seen as complex, and answers only tentative. Certain that “now we see through a glass, darkly” (1 Cor. 13:12), liberals are cautious about making dogmatic statements or claiming to have a monopoly on the truth. They see the search for truth as an ongoing task, rather than one that has already been completed.”
2 cor. 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,
You all seem to have the wrong idea about all of it. He died for us. He loved us while we were sinners and shed his blood so that we might have eternal life. When Christ said that we should all love one another as he loved us, he meant it. All this hate and bandying back and forth the meaning that you can glean from studying what others say about the bible is ridiculous. Just spend some time in prayer, read the bible, and not just one version of it, but many, and talk to people who walk the walk. It’s not just the Left who are destroying our country, but the Right as well. Greedy politicians and power-mongers in the Right are just as guilty. Christianity is a Monarchy, not Conservative, Liberal, Autocratic, Communist, Socialist or anything like that. It is about worshipping and obeying our KING. If you call yourself a Christian, then that should be the most important thing, above all else.
Christ’s sacrifice freed us from the legalism of the Old Testament, but not from our responsibility to hold to HIS law. Love the Lord with all your heart, soul, mind and strength. Love thy neighbor as thyself. The commonality between these two LAWS is . . . LOVE.
Get it right!!!!
You have it quite wrong because you make Christianity equate to Universalism. When Christ said we should love one another as He loved us He was talking about loving the Christian brethren not the world. Did Jesus really die for all in the world that will continue to reject Him or did He die so only those the Father would give Him would hear and believe? (the Wheat and Tares parable makes that quite clear.)
It is not what others say about the Bible that is all important is it what God said when He breathed scriptures through 40 different authors in 66 books. On most issues of faith and practice the Bible is quite clear but you act as if the moral law in the Bible is obscure. Let everyone study for themselves to find proper understanding and show themselves approved but Obviously Obama does not study the Bible at all and does not believe it or he would not always be on the wrong side of what the Bible teaches and would not be twisting passages into a twisted political end. Nor would he have attended a Marxist racist church for twenty years and appointed the twisted people he has for his advisers.
I agree that the Right does not have a lock on Christianity but the Left is clearly taking a road to secular humanism, communism, outright perversion and interfaith Universalism rather than Christianity.
I think most true Christians are quite aware that Christianity is a Monarchy, but right now we Christians are living among a world that is under the control of the Devil, sin and darkness. Christians cannot be salt and light in the nations if Christians do not stand up for biblical truths. If we are representatives of the King in the nations of the world we need to stand for what the King stands for in the world even before He returns to set up His Kingdom on earth.
True love does not watch a neighbor take a path to destruction without warning them. One of the primary problems I am seeing in Christians who criticize other Christians that are giving a call to morality is that these critics really do not know what love is. Love is not declaring a warm feeling about someone that is sinning so that they can just continue on their path to destruction and also take others with them. Love is giving them the truth and helping them to get free from the bondage of sin and death. Even Jesus requires man to turn from his wicked ways and turn toward God’s way (repentance) before salvation. So maybe you need to get it right!!
And why do you not get it right? Because your own words tell us that you think scripture and moral law is not clear and thus so subjective that Bible believers cannot agree on morality. Until you get over that notion your not ever going to get it right.
Don–You are so full of contempt for anyone who does not kowtow to your “party-line” that you are just as bad as the Left wing morally bankrupt who you vilify so much. “HE LOVED US WHILE WE WERE SINNERS!!!” Sin is merely distance from God. The things you do, if they are not for the glory of God, are the path to sin. What you are doing by attacking everyone who voices a thought differing from your own is not glorifying God. You are as bad as the Pharisees and Sadducees who stuck to the letter of the law without any of the love of God in their hearts. You may as well be making burnt offerings unto Baal. You may be studied about the bible and know scripture well, but so is SATAN. Christianity is not all about rules, law, strictures, but about LOVE. Its about a loving relationship between the individual and Christ, our Lord. Try rereading John 3:16–” He so loved THE WORLD that he gave his only begotten son. . . ” The WORLD it says. Not a portion of the world, but all of it. What happened to the idea of loving your enemy? It seems to me that someone said thta to love ones friends and relatives is easy, but to love your enemy, well that is where the true glory lies. Of course I am just summing it up because obviously you don’t think that being able to quote scripture is appropriate here, at least you have ridiculed anyone who has quoted scripture here as being able to copy it. your comments to Megan were very crass in this respect, so I’ll refrain, for the most part, from quoting scripture at us since you obviously have the entire text of the bible memorized and seem to have a first hand glimpse into the mind and will of GOD. He made us all, Christian, Jew, Muslim, etc. but he gave us free will to think and choose. And some of us have chosen the path that was laid out before us by Christ. It does not mean that we should hate those that have chosen another path. We should love them, pray for them, and hope that they see the error of their ways. But by no means should we separate ourselves from them as so much wheat from chaff. If we hold to your “party-line” then the Great Commission has no place in the here and now. And we are to judge others, yes, but in love so as to help them correct that which they are doing wrong. But you can’t shove the bible down people’s throats. The love of God and Christ is not something you beat people over the head with. That is why so many have left the body (church). They are sick and tired of being beaten down by people who use the bible for their own purposes; who twist scripture to support whatever immorality they choose. This, indeed, is the work of Satan.
Unlike many Christians who believe Christ is all just warm, fuzzy bunny soft and loving, I know that Christ’s love is a hrad thing. He denands much in our walk with him. Mark Galli puts forth much of the difficulty in understanding the hashness of Christ in his book, “Jesus, Mean and Wild”, but it does not deviate from the fact that it is all about love. Jesus was not a warm snuggly blanket you can curl up with and will cover you and keep you safe. Christ is a commitment to excellence, like being an olympic athlete. You must be committed to the rigorous challenges he presents you in your training, but you also need to love him, and understand that HE LOVES EVERYONE. The path to the gate of heaven is indeed a narrow one, but it is not so narrow that if every heart joyed in the Lord there would not be enough room for them all. If Jesus could feed the multitudes (and none of them Christians mind you) with five loaves of bread and two fish couldn’t he widen the path a little to accomodate a thronging multitude?
I pray for you Don, I pray that the Lord softens your heart some so you can see the error of your way and stop hating on people who merely want to open up lines of discussion and explore different avenues of thought. Do not be hardened. Mediate on this a bit and might just see that perhaps some of the points I make are valid.
GOD love and bless you!!!
How would you know that I am full of contempt. Who made you the judge of my motives? I suppose you think Jesus was full of concept when he called certain people vipers and sons of the Devil? I suppose you think Paul was full of concept when he called people out by name and said their would be wolves among us that would not spare the flock? I also suppose that John, Peter, and Jude were full of concept when they warned us of the evil that would come in the last days through evil people claiming to be Christians? I suppose you think Luther was full of concept when he raised objections to the unscriptural methods of the Catholic Church? etc. etc. It is not contempt to tell people the truth, it is love. You have it all backward.
Many Pharisees believed and were saved so don’t broad bush them either.
I never said Christianity is about laws and rules but true Christians born of the Spirit of God are aware of God’s laws and rules. A nation will follow them if they want to prosper. Our Constitution was founded on principals found in the Bible. Warning people that depart from them into perversions is showing love. If you hate your neighbor just let them go down the road to destruction and say nothing.
I will explain it to you again. if you love your enemy you will to give them what they need. In this case, people in our nation need to know the truth about someone who says he is a Christian but professes Universalism and institutes principals of Marxism in government rather than the Christianity he claims.
I cannot quote endless passages of the Bible in every comment section of every post. I have thousands of posts and comments so don’t judge everything I teach on just one post. No disrespect meant but I probably have quoted more scripture on my website and blog than the person you mention ever read. I only say that because you think I do not post scripture references. One of the problems I have is those people who do not know the Bible but can use a search tool to cut and paste a scripture that they then use to support a aberrant view that contradicts the clear teaching of the whole Bible.
God’s Son died for all who will believe God. That is a truth clearly taught in scripture. Would you please explain who the tares are if Jesus also died to save them? You quote John 3:16 but you leave out John 3: 18-20 that clearly says evil people will hate the light and remain in their darkness.
I am not telling anyone to hate anyone and for you to insinuate that I am makes you a false accuser. Loving others is tough it cost most of the early followers of Jesus their lives and it still does today in some countries. People that tell others that this country is going to come under judgment if they do not repent are really showing love for them. If you see wrongs being committed in this nation and you have the power to try to do something about it by telling the truth and you do nothing, you hate your neighbor.
You say we should not separate from those doing evil but scriptures says otherwise. Of course we cannot depart from the world but we we can present them with the gospel and help the poor and unfortunate in the world.
The commission given to the Church on earth is to preach the gospel to all creatures. Those appointed to hear will believe and be saved. If people reject the words of God they reject God. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. Jesus is living water and those thirsting for God will find Him through the preaching of His word. I cannot shove God’s word down peoples throats and I do not have to. Those appointed to believe will eat God’s word willingly and the rest will throw it up. This Blog will not be accepted by those that reject Christian truth and neither will they accept the Gospel unless God’s Spirit draws them. This Blog is primarily written to Christians even the title suggest that.
You say “People have left the church because we beat people over the head with God’s word”?? Give me a break!! People are leaving the churches because the word of God is no longer taught in most churches. Scripture can be misused but it is usually misused by those who do not take it literally. Christians do not leave the Church. The churches leave Christians.
I do not totally disagree with your last paragraph but your claim that I am hating people by telling them the truth is nothing but a false accusation. You ought to repent of your rash judgments. I suggest you read more of my writings.
Since this person has now resorted to name calling, the person is banned from commenting.
Further, if anyone expects perfect English go to a literary forum. Criticism of my use of the English language has nothing to do with the issues presented here. It is just typical liberal diversion tactics. Rather than answer the arguments presented they resort to attacking the messenger. Such tactics will not be tolerated on this blog.
Also, for the record this is not a debate forum on topics not related to the post and it is not a place for endless debates on the post either.
I never ever suggested that this person was not saved in my comments yet he seems to think I did. So who really has the English comprehension problem?
Hey Don, You may be under surveillance pretty soon.
From: HUFFINGTON, PUFFINGTON POST
White House Adds New Position to Deal with Unfavorable Online Media
I found this on Weasel Zippers:
This is the wife of the guy filling the new position:
Nita Chaudhary, Campaign Director at MoveOn.org Political Action: Nita leads MoveOn’s campaigns on the Iraq War, Constitutional Liberties as well as running the fundraising program for MoveOn’s 2008 electoral effort. In the past she was the Director of Online organizing for the DNC. She’s also held several positions at People for the American Way, including Media Research Analyst, Web Editor, and Online Organizer.
I think all Christian websites that talk about this Administration have been under surveillance for a long time. Maybe just by Obama’s volunteers but I am sure they are keeping track of what we say.
Now I have to figure out why every link to Christian worldview network on this whole blog is now broken. You would think if they changed directories around they would know enough to do 301 redirects. Now I have to go through 200 articles and see how the bad link effects the post. I certainly am not going to take the time to search for the new URL for 200 different links on that site. Now you also know why I stopped linking to other sites so much and why a blog is more time consuming than just writing articles and making comments.