The scriptures say that God created man in His own image. Some ancient text scholars say it means that man was created by God to be His image bearers or imagers. I think that is at least partly correct. We can look at other passages and get some light on what this means. Scripture tells us that Jesus is the express image of God (Heb 1:3) and we know that Jesus as God’s image has the capacity to be God over all creation. In like manner, man made in the image of God was given the capacity to rule over the whole earth. Genesis later implies the same thing when we read that God gave man dominion over the earth.
Genesis also tells us that Adam and Eve lost at least some of their capacity to be imagers of God when Eve was deceived by the Devil, and Adam sinned through disobedience and rebellion. After sin entered into their souls, Adam and Eve were booted out of the Garden of Eden and their spiritual covering from God was removed. They became natural mortal beings and although they reflected the features of the Son of God and the angels they lost much of their capacity to be able to perform the mission that God gave them.
We might wonder why the Devil even wanted to deceived Eve in order to bring Adam to sin, and where does the Devil now want to take fallen mankind? The first answer can be surmised from scripture. From Ezekiel 28 13-19 we understand that the Devil had also sinned. This sin probably occurred before man was even created or perhaps even because man was created to rule earth. This Ezekiel passage and others tell us that the sin of Lucifer was pride. He wanted to become like God and he wanted to be worshiped like he was God. Revelation 12:4-9 implies that a third of the angels are under the Devil’s control and that they will be cast out unto the earth with him after a war in Heaven occurs near the end of this age. So the Devil wanted man to sin so that man would reflect his own sinful nature.
The second question probably can be answered by saying that Satan is now trying to keep mankind in his fallen sinful state so he can play God over mankind. Scripture does call Satan the god of this world (system). As long as man remains a natural being with a rebellious spirit like a beast he cannot become the image bearer that God created mankind to be. When man fell into sin he also reflected the dark light of Satan and he became the image bearer of dark light rather than the true Light. Man in his fallen body of sin and death is like a natural beast. He is born to die and he has no hope other than trusting in the mercy of God to redeem his body so he can be changed in the likeness of the already risen Christ.
The Bible tells the story of how Jesus fulfilled the role of the Kinsman Redeemer of Adam. Through His word, through His physical incarnation on earth and through His creative good works, Jesus showed man that he was the true Light. He displaced the darkness of Satan for all those given to Him by the Father.
The proof of heavenly spirit salvation for human believers was that they put their faith (trust) in Him and died with Him to the fleshly nature that was held captive by the Devil through sin and death. They died to self at the cross with Jesus and they arose with Him into a new spiritual creation. This is what the ritual of water baptism represents.
Those trusting in God’s righteousness were given the presence and light of the Holy Spirit as the down payment that one day they will again be made into eternal image bearers of God when Jesus comes for those given to Him.
So then what is Satan’s agenda? Where does he believe he is taking natural mortal man that is still full of darkness and pride? Obviously the Devil wants man to believe that he is God and that the biblical God is really the enemy of man. He wants mankind to believe that they are just a product of evolution and just a natural highly evolved animal that evolved through time and chance. The lie is that man can continue to evolve to become like God but the god image offered by Satan’s progressive demonic agenda in reality is making humans to become imagers of himself.
We read in Revelation that when Satan and his angels are cast unto the earth and that they know their time is short, that they immediate lead man to a mass rebellion against the God of heaven. Also, when Satan is let out of prison after the millennial reign, Satan again immediately leads mankind into rebellion against God’s order on earth. So Satan’s progressive agenda has always been to turn mankind into rebellious imagers of the black light that comes from him.
That is where the lie of evolution comes in. The lie of evolution is to get man to believe that man has evolved and can further evolve to become like God. It seems that the strong delusion mention in 2 Th 2:11 is to get man to believe that through progressive physical and spiritual evolution mankind can achieve that goal.
I think the mark of the Beast somehow plays into that. At the very least it is an initiation where man rejects the true Light and chooses to become the image bearers of Satan. The lie may be that you can become like the Beast if you identify with him through the “mark”. It will probably be packaged as a great evolutionary step forward where mankind can become near deity while still in their fleshly fallen human nature by some genetic manipulation or by becoming trans-human. In other words, the deception might be the belief that man can become like God without first dispelling the darkness by putting on the light of Christ.
At the end of the age, all the powers of darkness will lead all people that are still in darkness to rebel against the true Light of the world when He comes. All the sons of pride will believe the lying signs and wonders that will be display to them. They will believe that Satan is God. They will be told that through his power he will save them from the wrathful Jehovah God of heaven.
I think at least part of the lying signs and wonders will be claims from these demonic beings that they came from another world or dimension to help man to evolve to become part of the collective universal consciousness and to save them from the forces of a hostile alien Jewish Race led by Jehovah. This is a core belief of pagan New Age teaching and there are such extraterrestrial theories in the UFO cult.
Lies rooted in the “science of evolution” and New Age/New Spiritualism pantheism provides the legs for progressive lies that bring mankind to rebel against the true God of heaven. The claim will be that humans are evolved creatures that now needs to be guided by more evolved enlightened beings so mankind can reach their full evolutionary potential.
So is it any wonder that the world’s progressive agenda for those that reject any message of redemption from the Creator is to act out the nature of demonic rebellious beasts?
God said that this would happen to unregenerate mankind in Romans chapter 1, 2nd Peter chapter 1, and Jude chapter 1.
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.2Pe:12 But these, as natural brute beasts, made to be taken and destroyed, speak evil of the things that they understand not; and shall utterly perish in their own corruption;
13 And shall receive the reward of unrighteousness, as they that count it pleasure to riot in the day time. Spots they are and blemishes, sporting themselves with their own deceivings while they feast with you;
14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
15 Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
16 But was rebuked for his iniquity: the dumb ass speaking with man’s voice forbad the madness of the prophet.
17 These are wells without water, clouds that are carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.Jud 1:10 But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.
11 Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.
16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men’s persons in admiration because of advantage.
So here is the point. The Bible says that evil people will wax worse and worse and that people would act like brute beasts in the last days and now we see that the progressive agenda of the demonic is bringing mankind to do just that.
Human’s not born from above by the Lord are more and more acting like mad rabid animals. That is now being reflected throughout society and even by some who claim to be in Christ or Christianity but practice:
- Homosexuality, fornication, pornography,adultery, pedophilia, and other sex abuses
- Drug trafficking and drug use
- Greed
- Hatred toward others
- Lying, false accusing and being false witnesses
- Thefts, robberies and covetousness
- laziness, collectivism, wanting others to provide for their own living.
- Idolatry, following after false gods
- Pride, pride in evil life choices
- Rebellion against authority
- Blasphemous speech against God
- Being heretics and followers of heretics, following those that place philosophies and psychologies of men above God’s word
- Being false prophets and following false prophets
- Witchcraft, mysticism and spiritualism, Gnosticism, trying to manipulate some God force by their own words or deeds
- Intolerance toward the only gospel of salvation and the only Savior that can change man’s nature
- Distortion of the scriptures or denial of the truth in the scriptures
- Hatred of Israel because Israel is promised what true Christians already receive
- Tyranny and support of tyrants and control freaks
- Murders, assaults and other violence, abortion and child abuse
I think what we see going on in our nation today is predictable. Throughout history kingdoms fell when the citizens started acting like animals. God judges nations when they got to the point where the people degrade themselves into practicing perversions like they are deranged brute beasts, it is a sure sign of demonic activity. If you look at the state of our nation, God may judge our nation sooner than you might think. One big difference from more distant history is that these things are now taking place over all the world at the same time and that points out that a general judgement of the world is growing ever closer. Mankind is acting out his fallen animalistic nature just like he did in the days of Noah. God said this would be one of the signs of the end times.
Satan and his angels will soon be limited to earth and he is going to play God to all the people that reject the love of the truth. Then he is going to lead them like beasts to the slaughter. After that, over a thousand years later, the Devil will again be released to deceive the nations to actions that will cause their own destruction. That is the Devil’s agenda and God is using him toward His own end to reveal the Sons of Light.
Satan wants mankind to believe that they are only products of time and chance, so he deceives people to follow lies of evolution and demonic spiritualism. The Devil wants man to think that they evolved from animals rather than being created to reflect God on earth. For if man remains in darkness thinking that they are only natural beasts they can easily be led to their slaughter and they never will be able to fulfill mankind’s commission of being the imagers of God.
There is so much great discussion material here. I need to hone on one piece of scripture that I believe I can identify with, but I could be mistaken:
2PE 14 Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children:
I feel like I and my siblings are “cursed children” (or, no longer – I turned to Christ and continue the walk of sanctification). So, I have rationale and general sanity and level-headedness, not to mention true wisdom as God allows.
I’m sure there’s a question in there somewhere, but I am not quite sure what question to ask. I guess it has to do with the phrase “cursed children” – I feel I have overcome (I had one clear goal as a child: get out of that house. Once separated, I could then find truth and overcome disillusionment).
Blessings.
I am not sure what the question is but Peter is talking about unbelievers that have crept into the fellowship. It certainly applies in many churches today but it does not apply to true believers.
Very well written and thought out article, Don. Just before I read your blog I was on Drudge Report and read the link below:
http://health.yahoo.net/news/s/ap/eu_med_animal_human_experiments
This article is all about combining human DNA with animal DNA….very, very scary that it is actually happening during my lifetime!!! I find it very odd that the general public is so blind to the “possibilities” of this kind of scientific exploration. It makes perfect sense to me that the BEAST and his minions will convince sons of darkness that they can be gods in this manner. Human beings are so greedy and vain that they never think about the spiritual consquences of their evil inventions. But…God Almighty is greater than all His creation! What a finale the end will be!!!
Also consider the reported demonic manipulations of human DNA that you hear about on UFO forms.
Wow,
This is some incredibly deep stuff.
So, this is likely where man is going to go in his vanity.
I do keep tabs on some of the DNA related news but the possibilities in your article are beyond enormous in scope.
I, as a true believer in Christ, try to stay abreast to today’s science because I am concerned that I might be deceived by some of the coming events.
I am sure science is going to sell humanity this god-like enhancement that will be seen as a huge “evolution” for mankind…as your article stated.
For those who think the “mark of the beast” is going to be distributed with a ‘666’ mark and given by a red character with a tail and a pitch fork, are already deceived.
In a way, scary stuff…on the other hand, it shows the end time’s are truly eminently close…which is good news for us that love the Lord Jesus Christ.
Don,
UFO forums ?
I wouldn’t go to UFO forums or anything that is anti-Jesus.
I guess knowing what the enemy is doing has its advantages for discernment and to know what is coming.
Then again, I do read the news and news links, so I get my fair share of the pagan apostasy news.
@ David – I keep abreast of many UFO type forums,,,that is how U learn lots about their present day agenda…how else we gonna know? There is something to be said for the saying…keep your friends close & your enemies closer? As long as we are covered in the blood of Christ no evil can touch us, it is just for learning purposes. Just my thoughts….
I just read an article by Jan Markell and the worldwide Harry Potter phenomenon which is training a whole generation of young people to embrace occultism and witchcraft and “white magic.” Plenty of christians are fooled into thinking this is harmless. Satan is very busy getting fallen man to ‘reflect the black light” of his image.
Once again, this kind of information burdens my spirit for the kids in the churches to be thoroughly taught the scriptures and to speak up about the barrage of filth that they are exposed to everyday through various media and enterainment outlets, not to mention the “science’ they hear at school. Pray for Sunday School teachers like me to be effective tools in the master’s hands. Maranatha
Don, Really enjoyed your blog – marked it in my fav’s. It is valuable knowledge that the mainstream religious organizations are not educating Christians about. In years of attending those tradition-filled, ritual-driven places, I had an unfilfilled yearning for truth & real growth & understanding within me that just could not & would not be met. I understand how many are driven into cults because of that yearning…anyway, I was blessed to get the book “The Omega Conspiracy” by I.D.E. Thomas & it was so what I was missing & it opened up the Bible’s truths that I had desperately yearned to know. I thank you for bringing attention to this also, it is valuable & necessary to truly understand these final days of the age of grace which we occupy! Maranatha! P.S. Not anti-Church, just PRO-Truth & PRO-Bible & anti-emergent one-world “so-called church” movement. I truly hope everyone learns the difference so they will not be deceived!
Wow Ammi,
I watched the 1st Harry Potter many years ago and it was apparent to me “then” that this was priming people into thinking Harry Potter was harmless…it’s not.
Yeah, they (the developers) of Harry Potter have painted a pretty picture of the occult but there is no “white (innocent) magic”.
Where I live, there are plenty of Wiccan’s and they are viewed as harmless…they’re not, it’s plain and simply demonic.
I applaud you for being a Sunday School Teacher and hopefully getting through to the youth’s.
Sorry about the couple hour outage… I did my best to screw up everything but seems I somehow got it back. Now I have to spend the next two hours recreating the wheel.
Claudia,
Evil touches us all the time even through we are covered with the blood of Christ. Christians that think they can deal with the demonic when they do not even rule their own flesh and are not grounded in the weapons of our warfare will be shifted like wheat. Ask Peter.
I see comments are missing sorry about that guess I lost some data when I pull back the database. If you still have them repost them. It looks like anything posted on this site between 1233 pm and 1.34 am are gone.
David says (lost when I pulled back the database)
Perhaps I am not grounded enough to handle the pagan banter…but another reason I stay away from evil is because I have seen it recommended in the Bible.
When I see or hear evil, I go the other way.
I don’t see where reading an evil websites agenda would benefit a believer in Christ…and who cares what they do ?…they’ve already lost and are doomed. Yes, I know its there, and I generally have an idea of what they are up to by the daily news and relating it to the Word Of God.
It doesn’t matter how evil “they” get, they can’t hurt me regardless…even if they kill me, I still win and they lose.
I keep my eye’s on the Lord.
And, I do not buy into “keep your friends close & your enemies closer”…I think that’s a Hollywood slogan that has no point in a Christians reality.
Claudia says (it was lost when I pulled back the database)
David,
The quote I used “keep your friends close, your enemies even closer” comes from a Chinese general & military strategist named Sun-tzu (400 BC).
Perhaps I should have used “Behold I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.” Matthew 10:16
God Bless,
Claudia
Bob from Texas says (comment was lost when I pulled back the database)
We have many “WOFers” (Word Of Faith) in these parts and I hear their twisted comments and verses so often that I sometimes begin to incorporate them into my own thought patterns. “Generational Curses” is one of them as is “binding and loosing”.
I think Satan must have been bound so many times in Texas that we must be running short of rope and other binding materials.
Having this resource to use to check them out is a great help. I am shocked at how much subtle influence they have.
Jim says (this comment was lost when I pulled back the database)
Great article Don. From my pov I see society, escpecially religion and politics, becoming increasingly contrasted. I mean I see this more of a battle of good and evil rather than just different points of view. It makes so much more sense looking at it this way. Harry potter is an example so is Islam. Islam is so obviously satanicly inspired.
Don ,
Outstanding article , just yesterday I was reading that some lwamakers in England say there are not enough rules regarding cloning experiments in the scientific research community. Apparently some research is being done combining human and animal genes and DNA. It always
amazes me that man thinks they can improve on God’s work. As the old saying goes , ” Be Careful What You Wish For , You May Get It ” . The signs Jesus spoke about to warn us are
everywhere for those who will take the time to look. I have always believed that accepting God’s Word as absolute truth means you know you are accoutable to Him. Most people are unwilling to accept that resposibility so they reject him or create in their own mind a false
God ( idol ) that meets their apporoval. Recently saw a sign on a church billboard that said,
Jesus declared the truth , He never debated it. BLESSINGS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes we are seeing alot of bibical things being fore filled just as God said it would be like just as the days of Noah how sad it is. Don’t they realize they are NOT gods they cant save themselves from death.
Hi Diane,
Don has a great link to Lamb & Lion Ministries that details the teachings of “The Church of Oprah” It explains how millions are being deceived by the “god is in each of us, teachings”
Hi Don,
Another provocative post. Solomon says there’s nothing new under the sun. Reading your blog, my thoughts harkened back to Genesis 6 where the Sons of God took the daughters of men. It is apparent from the text — at least to me — that there was some kind of genetic manipulation going on. How appropriate in these last days for Satan to resume his grand experiment. Perhaps back in Gen. 6 the people of Noah’s day were told that they could become gods by combining their DNA with that of alien beings, which we call angels? Today, the lie might be that genetic manipulations from friendly visitors from space would do the same thing? I think the genetic corruption became so widespread that God’s only remedy was to wipe out all humans, except for 8 who still maintained pure human genes. (not that there weren’t probably others) This may be what is meant by the statement that Noah was perfect in his generation. Not that he was sinless, but that he still carried a fully human genetic code, from which the future Savior must come. So much to speculate on here.
Hi Doug,
That’s pretty much the way I see it. I can see where some women might have saw great advantage to having this hybrid offspring. Whatever happened seemed to have spread to all air breathing species so God had to save a few of each that were not corrupted yet to stop whatever it was that the fallen angels started.
Will it happen again? That is possible. We know that Satan and his angels are cast out unto the earth for the last 42 months probably to appear like men and they know that theie time is short. Therefore, they will not have the time to do it by normal human reproduction where babies grow into adults. This time they will have to directly alter the genetic code of man and perhaps that is where the “mark” of the Beast comes in and why anyone that takes it cannot be saved by the Kinsman Redeemer of the human Adamic race. In other words, they will no longer be Human creations of God so Jesus will not save them.
Doug, the Bible is pretty clear that God flooded the earth because of sin. Not any DNA manipulation.
The world today is pretty much corrupted in the same fashion as the ‘days of Noah’. We are de-sensitized because we have been born and raised in it. If we look at the world how God does, we see just how corrupted it is.
Frank,
Obviously there was sin. Man has always been in sin since the fall but that does not mean there was no DNA corruption either. That is about the only way the Nephilim giants can be explained and it explains why there had to be a flood. If God just wanted to just wipe out wicked man and start over He could have done that without flooding the whole earth and killing all air breathing creatures. Obviously something else was going on and ancient books and “mythology” explain to us what many gloss over in Genesis by some simplistic explanation that just does not make sense or agree with the historical record.
“Ancient books and mythology”? Really?
Let’s be clear, God WAS trying to “wipe out wicked man” minus Noah and his family. Rampant fornication, idolatry, homosexuality are plenty of reasons to do what God did. No other sources are needed but the Bible. The OT is clear that the giants were finished off by the Jews when they took the Holy Land from the Canaanites.
In Numbers 13;33 the Nephilim re-appear. I’m not sure how this came to be,
1) the flood was not world wide, leaving some Nephilim to reproduce.
2) Someone on the ark had bad genes
3) The demons reproduced with the descendents of Noah.
With all the supposed alien abduction over the past few decades why haven’t the demons reproduced with humans like they seem to have in the ancient past?
Look Frank, the Bible does not talk in detail about a lot of past events. If it did it would contain thousands of volumes and you would never read it. People that lived closer to the events know more of the details since they had historical documents that do not exist anymore. I wonder how you think they made this stuff up before they even had the knowledge that man could be genetically corrupted by the angels?
Also, you do not even know that some of the sins you mentioned were actually taking place before the flood. For example, where does it say that there was homosexuality before the flood? You also have not explained how you think a race of giants came about on the earth?
In addition, you have not explained why God killed all air breathing flesh except what he saved on the Ark? So if God was “trying” to kill all human sinners that would certainly have included Noah and family. God could have killed humans without killing innocent animals. So arguments that do not address the facts presented are rather pointless.
Further, nobody even said that the giants after the flood were not killed off so I do not know why you even brought it up unless you are insinuating that because they are dead it cannot occur again. Oh really? I think scientists even with the knowledge of genetics that they have today could easily produce giants if the government let them.
Anyway, read this article I wrote and follow the links unless you think all of the history of the world and every explanation can be found in the Bible.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/reasons/aliens.HTM
By the way, this is not just the opinion of crackpots. John MacArthur and others of the same caliber teach that the obvious explanation of what happened in Genesis six is what it says. It says that angels had offspring with women and produced Nephilim (giants).
Frank,
Yes, there was wickedness, but there seems to be much more implied here.
Here are the versus in question:
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
Gen 6:9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
I don’t see where it talks about homosexuality or fornication. It simply states that man was wicked and man’s “thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.” What it does say is that the sons of God took wives of of the daughters of man. The term “sons of God” bene elohim, refers to angels, so that would imply some sort of genetic manipulation.
It is true there was another Nephilim incursion in the promise land before the Hebrews entered it, but Gen 6:4 does not say it was only going to happen once. The text allows for possibly many events.
What I find most intriguing is the statement that Noah was “perfect” in his generation. He wasn’t sinless so how is this expression to be taken? The term “generations” is used twice here and Strong gives them two different numbers. I think an argument can be made that the word “Generations” refers to genetic integrity.
I like the statement that goes something to the effect: As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man. If indeed there were Nephilim in the days of Noah, I see no reason not to expect them again in these last days.
Tim,
In Numbers 13:33 It does not say they were “Nephilim: it uses a different Hebrew word that just means “Giants”.
1. The Bible is clear that all air breathing flesh were wiped out except for those on the Ark.
2. A Human gene carrier from one of Noah’s wives is the most likely explanation for the giants.
3. Not likely, because demons are the wandering spirits of the dead Nephilim that possess people and animals because apparently they do not go where human spirits go.
It is possible that that the whole purpose of the abductions is to create a hybrid race that will pose as aliens. Remember that Satan’s angels are stuck on earth after they are booted from the heavens. It is very likely that these fallen angels will have some kind of physical form.
“Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.”
Only evil continually? What do you guys think that means? Evil men at their base sometimes lean toward homosexuality. Look no further than Washington D.C.
“As it was in the days of Noah, so will it be at the coming of the Son of Man.” Should be taken as men will think/conceive evil continually in the last days. People that are waiting for a UFO/alien/giant/whatever return are going to be open to the deceptions of the last days.
People that believe in aliens have never worked for the gov’t and had a top secret security clearance. 😉
Frank,
You are not addressing the arguments presented. Nobody said that man was not evil before the flood and being evil does not automatically mean that people were homosexual. There are many more evil people that are heterosexuals today. The wicked are even among those sitting in church pews that practice other sins besides homosexuality.
The Bible says that all will be deceived by the Beast, even the elect if that were possible, so obviously what one believes or does not believe now about UFO/alien/giant/whatever, has no bearing on this end time deception.
I can also prove your last statement is wrong. I had Top Secret Crypto SCI security clearances for most of my government career and I am opened to the possibility of deception from devils claiming to be aliens.
3. “Not likely, because demons are the wandering spirits of the dead Nephilim that possess people and animals because apparently they do not go where human spirits go”
I always thought that demons and fallen angels were the same thing? So you’re saying that demons are a separate class of entity, a hybrid between human and fallen angel and that all demons came about through that reproductive process between fallen angels and women? Dis embodied spirits that don’t go to the same place as humans when they leave their body.
Another thing I always thought was bizarre is the idea that fallen angels could mate with human women and actually produce an offspring. How is it that the genetic code fit together. I’ve heard of Ligers, a hybrid between a lion and tiger, they are both cats, but not giraffes and elephants. Humans and angels? there must be some sort of manipulation going on there I think.
I didn’t think that angels reproduced but apparently fallen angels were tempted, or just wanted to pollute the human genome.
Could it be possible that the 10 spies who where giving a negative report to the children of Israel, likely and most probably exaggerated what they saw because of their fear and lack of faith? “We aren’t able to go up against these people, they are too strong for us.” NOT TRUE
“It is a land that devours its inhabitants” NOT TRUE, There also we saw the Nephilim, etc…” and we became like grasshoppers etc.” NOT TRUE. We have another example of “untrue conversations” in scripture with the friends of Job. Just another idea to consider which then allows God’s word about the flood to be true.
Also, I think the violence that occurred during Noah’s time Gen.6:11b,13, due to mankind’s corruption is one of the parallels to our day. The earth has become corrupted by the spilling of blood. How it must cry out to the Lord. I believe it is clear in Jude 6,7 and 2Peter2 by way of comparison, that the sin of corruption is the “going after strange flesh”, whether that be homosexuality or the mating of angels & humanbeings. Good discussion everybody.
Ammi, the Bible has many accounts of huge beings, huge races and huge families so obviously the account of there being giants in the land “WAS TRUE” The Bible even gives the size of them for example this passage on Og:
His bed was 14 feet long and it also says that Og was a remnant of the giants.
True, as Goliath was considered a giant, and we still have extremely large people today. I’d have to do a word study to say that giants and Nephilim are one in the same, right now I don’t think so. I think the Nephtilim were wiped out in the flood and the angels have been chained in the darkest pit of Sheol until judgment. Thats not to say that it can’t happen again during the Tribulation when Satan knows that his time is short.
Tim,
I explain it the best I could in my article in that link in my previous comment. I am saying there is no mention of demons on the earth before the flood. The book of Enoch gives the explanation that the punishment for these angels are that they would become wandering spirits on the earth. I assume that their offspring would have the same fate being part angel but I could be wrong they might not have a God given soul at all and therefore might not even exist anymore. Jesus make it clear that demons are real but there are things that we do not know about them.
Have you ever thought that when the Angels came to earth that in every way they because physical lifeforms and therefore they had to have DNA. (angels are also sons of God and we are made in like image – if we fell into mortality through sin so might they). This could also be true again when Satan’s angels are booted unto the earth.
Those that read what some in the occult claim from contact with such beings (Edgar Casey for example) give just such an account and it explains all the bull about reincarnation believed in New Age, Eastern religious and the demonic pre-existing gods claims like we find in Mormonism.
(This is a deep and a dark study and I am not suggesting that anyone read into this stuff unless they are called by God to expose the true nature of the demonic. Only people that major in this area of ministry should even dare get into it or you will be asking for big trouble. I only know about it because I was reading into it before I received Christ many years ago.)
On further thought, Don, it doesn’t make sense for God to do such a sloppy job of eliminating corrupted flesh with the flood only to still have Nephilim around afterwards. If, the plan of angelic mating with human women was to corrupt the human species so the Messiah couldn’t appear, there is no need to repeat that gross sin in the future. It would seem that Satan’s best stradegy would be to eliminate the nation of Israel and all the Jews so King Jesus couldn’t keep the promises of the 4 unconditional covenants that the Father made with the Patriarchs.
@Tim Angels always appear to humans in the scriptures as young men, so maybe they have the ability for sexual hankypanky (with DNA) while in that state. The offspring would have to be super-human; like the gods and goddesses of Greek mythology.
Ammi,
God said their would be two judgments and it would be also like in the days of Noah before the next one.
Satan will certainly attempt to destroy Israel and those that do not worship him, scripture is clear on that, but that is not the end of the story. Satan deceives the nations and has a following that believes he is God. That is where the mark of the Beast and possibly the alien deception comes in.
Ammi,
I am no authority on this subject but I got the impression from scripture that the fear of those in the land of Canaan was justified. But the way Joshua and Caleb saw it, nothing was too difficult because of their faith & trust in God.
The way I see it, when we look at all the miracles by the hand of God since the Israelites left Egypt, even unto this day, it is impossible for Israel to have survived if not for the direct hand of God.
If I’m wrong here…let me know.
Some of you MIGHT find the following site interesting:
http://www.veritasreport.com/2009/03/nephilim-theories-and-the-sons-of-god/
In Google and under images type ‘giant skeletons of men’ or something like.
True or false??
Undeniable proof however, to the existence of huge men (Unless you don’t believe the Bible is God’s infallible word) is as Don has pointed out, the Biblical reference to Og, king of Bashan.
A 13 foot bed would suggest a 12 to 12’6″ man. 12 to 13 feet… 15-20 feet?
How far can we stretch our belief??
David , You are totally correct, Israel has survived as a nation and as a people only because
God has guaranteed their survival for His purposes.
To Everyone :
Don is right on , do NOT start messing around with anything demonic or in the unseen spirit
world UNLESS God specifically leads you into it in some type of ministry. This is a dangerous area to be involved in so be careful and be SURE God has your back. Jesus leads , you follow,
and much , much prayer is mandatory.
Don, I just read the other article you wrote about the Aliens, very interesting I’ve book marked it for future reference. I thought that observation about there being no flesh eating animals in early Genesis account of creation to be interesting. Since we still have flesh eating animals around today, did Noah preserve them on the ark? I notice in Gen 9 that God gave man all living creatures for food. So maybe God extended this flesh as food to various animals as well and had Noah preserve them through the flood. Either that, or the fallen angels corrupted animal dna again like before the flood.
“Have you ever thought that when the Angels came to earth that in every way they because physical lifeforms and therefore they had to have DNA” Yes I have had that same thought.
From Star Trek to Harry Potter there is no doubt in my mind that society has been set up for a great deception.
“Since we still have flesh eating animals around today, did Noah preserve them on the ark?”
Tim, That seems logical to me, I do not see discrimination in what animals were brought to the ark since God said that two of every sort would come to the Ark. Except it seems that God made certain that the clean animals had a better chance of survival because with the clean seven couples came. I think some of the unclean flesh eating animals just could not survive in the new environment for very long but who really knows?
Given that a body does not need to be living in order to extract DNA and that this is not really that new a study in scripture it is possible that a scientific group may already have or be trying to obtain the DNA from a pre-flood human / nephilim.
Thank you Don Fritts.
And, as someone, me…who lives around a large population of witches and warlocks who practice pagan rituals in the desert here, I can tell you that I know enough (just topical really) about the evil here to stay away from it and when threatened by it, I use the name above all names, Jesus Christ…it works and I’ve seen it throw them into a frenzy.
One thing I have found about the pagan evil is they are cowards, they threaten, but will only take action if they can outnumber you in a hidden gang mentality.
I don’t want to beat a dead horse but if anyone finds this subject of alien ufo/fallen angel connection interesting, there’s a 25 minute segment with Chuck Missler on Sid Roths’ website from a couple years ago. I found it fascinating. (And note Chucks last comment about God judging America just before Sid cuts him off at the very end)
http://www.sidroth.org/site/News2?abbr=tv_&page=NewsArticle&id=8865&security=1041&news_iv_ctrl=1195
There are no dead horses here to beat anyway, not even any alien mutilated ones.
I found this article particularly disturbing regarding what is happening in our schools regarding homosexuality.
An honors student in Fort Worth, TX, was sent to the principal’s office and punished for telling a classmate that he believes homosexuality is wrong.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/
Parents should do one of two things. They either sue or they pull their kids out of the state indoctrination system and home school. Some people think Perry has governed that state so great. But, in reality Texas is every bit a police state as the American nation.
I’ve read different views about the fallen angels and women producing offspring. Two arguments against are from the Lord’s Own statements.
The first is that Jesus Christ Himself said “That which is born of the fless is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit” [John 3:6]. The argument from that premise is, therefore, flesh and blood cannot have sexual relations with spirit. As kind begets kind in race and races cannot beget with animals–it seems strange, at least it does to me–that spirit and flesh could beget offspring. It doesn’t mean of course that I’m right.
The other argument against the view of demons and humans having sex is again from the Lord’s own statement that spirit beings do not have sex organs. That argument itself is taken from Mark 12:25 which states that when we are resurrected: “For when they shall rise from the dead they neither marry nor are they given in marriage, but are as the angels which are in heaven.”
It doesn’t actually mention sex per se here but couldn’t that just be what the Saviour was inferring? He would have known the Jewish view on those things in those days. Perhaps, then, He then expected His contemporaries to know He was inferring just those things. Perhaps.
From my own paradigm I can’t see why spirits would require genitals. That, of course, doesn’t mean they don’t have them.
This seems especially so to me that Jesus could possibly have been meaning those very things in the Scriptures I’ve quoted: on considering that sex is a wonderful gift for humans (and even for animals and insects). And bearing in mind that sex is forbidden out of wedlock for Christians.
And so, if we who are married are no longer married in the Resurrection, it would seem that we won’t be having sex as resurrected saints. And when you consider we will have new spiritual bodies, therefore perfect ones, why not marry and have sex? Or will it be that we can as resurrected saints have sex and not be married?
Would there be any reason to have sex if we no longer are producing children?
Now we know that angels, therefore demons too, do not marry so is it likely that they have sex?
These are merely questions. I really don’t know!
I have found your statements on the matter quite thought-provoking, Don, and have enjoyed everyone else’s comments. It’s made me rethink a lot of things. I can see both viewpoints though.
Thanks again, Don, for dealing these things and encouraging stimulating debate.
Martin,
I answer most of those arguments in this article
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/reasons/aliens.HTM
Angels in every way appear as men when they take that form. In fact, they are also make in the image of God, as are men. So I think they have all the parts necessary.
Mark 12:25 say angels in Heaven do not marry but these fallen angels left heaven to dwell permanently on earth. The fall could have meant that they actually did the same fall into sin as Adam and received the same fallen flesh nature.
Also, since they rebelled against God they are not Angels of God in Heaven so Mark 12:25 hardly applies to the angels in the Holy City.
Martin
In line with Don’s suggested reading is an interesting comparison that Chuck Missler makes: –
There are only two references to the Greek word oiketerion in the Bible and it is an obvious referral to the putting off (and on) of a heavenly ‘body’.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation – oiketerion, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
2Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house oiketerion (habitation) which is from heaven:
Whether this helps in making things ‘click’ into place for you I don’t know, but it helped secure the doctrine for me.