The bailouts may bring us one step closer to the one world Beast economic system but there are some things said in this article that quite frankly make unfounded innuendos about people in our government and in the financial management of our money that are just not appropriate.
The article seems to paint that since the great depression we have been control by a worldwide conspiracy that is deliberately leading us to the Mark of the Beast system. There is no such conspiracy there is no such evil cabal of men. What is happening is the inevitable results of man’s mismanagement of the world’s economic systems. Man is designed to organize and manage things on the earth and anywhere you have civilization management is going to take place. Otherwise you have anarchy.
Because of the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life one thing man does always leads to another. He overspends and goes into debt (the borrower will be the slave of the lender) so he becomes enslaved by the lenders through his own debt to them. The lenders are people of the same nature and they do the same thing and end up being the slaves of those with more money etc., soon everyone is owing more than they can pay and the debts have to wiped clean or the whole system collapses. That is where the U.S. is at now.
God had a way to deal with that weakness in man in the law. There was a Jubilee every fifty years where everyone’s debts were wiped out and they were to start afresh. We of course do not do what God instructed Israel to do in the law so we just keep piling up debt until the system has to collapse. When the latest modern collapse of the monetary system takes place the world elite will not want to make the same mistakes again so they will create the best system they can with the tools that they have available. In the future that means RFID tags, embedded chips and a secure worldwide economic system.
it is not really a sinister conspiracy plot as some try to sell. If man could actually manage his own sin on earth he would not need bailing out by a Savior. In addition, as long as the Church is here to be salt and light things on earth may get bad but they are not going to get totally out of control. It is only after the restrainer is taken out of the way and Satan is cast out of Heaven that the Beast system takes control of the inevitable world electronic economic system. Before Satan and his angels are cast out of heaven there are no restrictions on taking part in any of this. The electronic system only becomes sinister after the angels are cast out unto the earth and force people to take the mark and worship the Beast in order to buy or sell. Only when Satan has control of the whole earth does world electronic banking fulfill Bible prophecy.
Let’s not put the cart before the horse here and think that Satan actually can do anything he wants now, he cannot. He answers to God and only in the last 42 months does God give Satan free reign on earth in order for him to deceive those who would not have Jesus rule over them.
This article also jumps to the conclusion that Americans have lost control of their destiny. Did we ever have control of our own destiny? Not only that, the U.S. is only one nation on the earth. Believe it or not, everything is not about America.
America + decline does not = end of world, as some like to think.
America is not in Bible prophecy and that most likely is because America is not a major factor in the world during end time events. Nations have risen and fallen in the past and the Beast never rose to power because of it. Will the Beast come to power now because of U.S. economic troubles? If he does it will not be because America falls but because true Christian’s rise (Rapture) and Satan falls (to the earth).
There simply is something missing in the logic of those who love these ongoing conspiracy themes. I know saying that will not be popular with those who see demonic cabals everywhere, or the end of the world every Feast of Trumpets. The truth is that the Rapture is not likely to occur on the Feast of Trumpets this year and it probably will not come on the next or the next. The Rapture does not have to occur on the Feast of Trumpets at all, despite all the Internet speculations. The Church is not Israel.
Events will go on until the time set by the Father and some Christians just need to get used to that fact and stop looking for some magic formula so they can scare their friends with their new found revelations. They need to stop blaming all the inevitable problems caused by man as proof text that the end will be here in 2012.
It is always getting closer to the end but there is no conspiracy of demon possessed men running the earth. They could not get along with each other if there were. We cannot even get the Pastors and deacons of our churches on the same page and we are led by the Holy Spirit. How in the world then does Satan get his possessed and his also possessed to see eye to eye on anything?
Then you wonder why some Christians get upset with those who spend all their time trying to figure out the timing of the Rapture and the second coming instead of using their gifts for the Church and working to get people saved? In my experience half the people coming up with these dates and theories do not even attend a local church.
Don’t get me wrong, I teach Bible prophecy and I think the Lord is coming in the lifetime of most of the people reading this article but much of what is being said lately in the name of Bible prophecy really are pagan theories with Bible terminology. I guess I am now in big trouble with some of you. Please spare me the email because when I do not see things your way you send me insults. I really do have better things to waste my time on. I get a little tired of unsolicited emails from those who just have to get me to agree with their conspiracies or agree that they know the day or dates of the Rapture or second coming. Almost always after a half dozen exchanges the only thing accomplished is wasted time.
But I digress, what the big bailout means is that most of us are too greedy and we spend far more than we have and we are so far in debt that we can never pay it back. We buy houses we cannot afford betting on them to rise in value ten percent a year and we expect our mutual fund managers to keep giving us ten percent returns on our investment when they can only safely give us five. We knew that they were gambling with our investments but we thought that everything keeps going up and that they were too smart to lose. Well, they did lose, and there will be a bailout by us or there will be a depression. There also will be more bailouts by us until the world decides it does not want to bail out America anymore. When that happen we are going to lose more than you can imagine.
That is really what all the bailouts mean. It is not some dark conspiracy by satanic bankers to take over the world it is our own enslavement to debt!
Do you think it’s an accident?
Do you think it’s just a case of bad management?
Do you think the proposed $700 billion taxpayer bailout of U.S. financial institutions just happened?
I don’t think so.
In fact, I think it’s part of a master plan – one pushing us inevitably, inexorably closer to a closed cashless global economic system of total control.
I know. This seems like an extreme statement. It sounds like I’ve drunk deep of the conspiracy Kool-Aid. But let’s take a look at history.
Americans have lost control of their own destiny. Elections don’t mean much. Congressional debates are illusory. We are on a path to tyranny. Neither Barack Obama nor John McCain is going to stop it. Neither a Republican Congress nor a Democratic Congress is likely to slow it down.
Most Americans seem ill-equipped to understand what’s happening or to comprehend the forces at work behind it. They seem more concerned with their basic needs and material pleasures than the fact that they are losing their birthright of self-government and individual freedom – that their children will never experience the promises of the Constitution.
What just happened? To simplify it, the government just got a lot bigger and more powerful, which means another nail was just hammered into the coffin of American liberty. And, in one of the largest wealth transfer schemes in history, a few wealthy and powerful individuals just got wealthier and more powerful – at your expense.
But this is not the end. This is not the final fix. This is not the final solution – not by a long shot. There will be more consolidations of power and money. There will be more “reforms.” There will be more regulations, more restrictions on the way you conduct your affairs, more centralization and control.
I tend to split the difference between your view and Farah’s.
I DON’T think this is an accident, but I don’t think all the “players” sit down and compare notes, daily planning their takeover. I strongly suspect that what is happening is an “open conspiracy” in that the “players” are basically of the same worldview and it’s their interests for these changes to occur in they way they are happening.
Of course, there are unintended consequences, but recall the Hegel-Marxian view of dialectic, one implication of which is that even those things that would seem to be setbacks to the cause actually move the cause forward by virtue of the overall de-stabilizing of the status quo.
Also, I wouldn’t rule-out some good old fashioned collusion! 😉
Seems to me that the premise of Farah’s article and many such articles like this is that there is this group of evil international bankers that are leading us into a world economic system so they can get filthy rich, control our lives, and put Satan’s mark on us. Where is the proof of that?
It seems to me that people like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the world oil barons are getting filthy rich and that they have much more control over what goes on in the world than any group of bankers. These bankers cannot even keep their own banks afloat. Most of these guys make less then most CEO’s.
The Hegel dialectic would only be valid if these people believed in world Marxism but they do not. Where is the proof? Who are the bankers that will get filthy rich through these bailouts like Farah implies? Just to be clear I am not for the bailouts I think the free enterprise system should play out because every time the government gets involved in the system they create worse problems with their socialistic regulations. In fact, government created this crises.
There are think tanks like the CFR and others that have a worldview for global governance and some of these bankers are part of it. However, their worldview is that the earth needs to managed by the educated informed elite. It is not some cabal of sinister demon possessed men sitting in back rooms planing the Satanic takeover of the world. They do not even agree with each other on how to best manage the world. Instead of them trying to take over the world for themselves like conspiracy nuts imply they actually believe that they must provide the leadership to save it for everyone else (no matter how misguided that concept is).
These conspiracy theories all link up to the vast Illuminati conspiracy said to come out of the Masons. Nevertheless, Mason membership indicates that it a fast dying organization and after knowing some very nice 33 degree Masons who got all 33 degrees in a couple of initiation secessions, I can tell you that they do not even have a clue about anything going on in the world. At least no more so than any other American. All this occultism in their initiations for advanced degrees in their own minds is nothing but a local moving up day ritual for one or more of the good ole boys.
Christians into conspiracy theories that see devils in everyone with money and power need to get a grip on reality. Most of these people are post toasties who think they will have to physically take up arms to fight the Beast. They are looking for someone to hate and to blame for all the worlds problems but they never look in the mirror. They would be stuffed out in a minute when the Beast and his Angels actually take control of the earth. They are self deluded if they think they can trust in their own strength to fight the Beast.
There simply is no reason why it is not within God’s will to have a world government before His second coming. In fact He said there would be another world government and He did not say we should oppose it. It is only after Satan gets booted out of Heaven and tales control of that world Government that it becomes evil. After all, the Bible mentioned prior world governments and there is not a word in the Bible that God’s people resisted those in power. So are those who actively rebel against inevitable world government within the will of God? I do not think so. They will bring on themselves a self fulfilling prophecy.
I would also like everyone to know that the government of the Lord Jesus Christ will be a world government and to those who remain in this world and oppose Him, to them it will be a conspiracy.
The Hegel dialectic would only be valid if these people believed in world Marxism
You don’t have to be a Marxist or have those aims to be able to employ the dialectic — it’s been around since the Greeks.
Who are the bankers that will get filthy rich through these bailouts like Farah implies?
Rothchilds come to mind.
However, their worldview is that the earth needs to managed by the educated informed elite.
Yes, and is this not merely another “doctrine of demons?”
They are self deluded if they think they can trust in their own strength to fight the Beast.
Well, I certainly don’t fit into that category, and I see evidence of Satan’s hand in this; it is, after all, his kingdom and he can give it to whom he chooses.
There simply is no reason why it is not within God’s will to have a world government before His second coming.
That could happen, but I don’t think that possibility was being excluded by Farah (or by me).
I would also like everyone to know that the government of the Lord Jesus Christ will be a world government and to those who remain in this world and oppose Him, to them it will be a conspiracy.
I don’t know if “conspiracy” is the right word, but I assume they’ll believe that they are somehow in the right.
Why such a strong reaction to my comments? I’m not a conspiracy nut and I’m not trying to encourage others to be. On the other hand, I think Satan’s hand in this is quite obvious — he does define and run the world system. There’s plenty of room for human agency and Satan’s influence in these events; that’s what I’m trying to point out.
Brett,
actually I was not addressing you in most of my last comment it may have started that way but it was mostly more argument against those who believe in these conspiracies. Your comment just brought up some thinking that I thought needed to be added to what I had already said in my original post. Sorry if you took me wrong.
I guess I do need to address what you did bring up in your last comment. If I go beyond answering the point that is just me getting back on the same soapbox..
It may be true that this type of reasoning has been around a long time but the German philosopher Hegel taught the three stage process of dialectical reasoning that was adopted by Karl Marx. Aren’t we talking about illuminated bankers who now want Marxist socialism for everyone but the ruling elite? I recall that the Communist Manifesto came from the beliefs of illuminism. So the question begs, is all that is going on today with the bailouts part of the conspiracy of bankers controlled by some secret Illuminati ? Farah implies it is in his article. I say they do not even exist and that this debt, overspending and gambling was really caused by mans greedy nature. I know some of the past history of the illumination movement in Europe but I want some proof that what is going is controlled by satanic bankers who will now get rich because they control all this.
The Rothchilds are going to get rich on our bail outs?
Why? I do not believe they own any significant stock in the investment firms that we are bailing out. Most of it is owned by the American people in retirement accounts, pension plans and insurance. How are the world bankers including the Rothchilds going to get rich from this like Farah says? Does anyone really believe that a small group of bankers can take all the wealth of the world without starting a revolution?
Illuminism that evolved into Marxism is a doctrine of demons like you said, but how is the connection made to today’s Fed Reserve chief and our Treasury secretary? Sure the Federal Reserve should never have been created and it could have been a power grab by bankers one hundred years ago but how does that play out with the selected people running the Federal reserve and Treasury Dept. today? Are they part of the multi-century Illuminati? Are they getting there marching orders from the Illuminati? Who is making congress go along with them on this bailout? I simply do not see it.
When I was talking about those fighting the Beast I was talking about those who are actively planning to do it with arms because they insist that the Church is going through the tribulation and will physically war with the forces of the Beast before the return of Jesus Christ. What they overlook is that scripture says that anyone who seeks to save their life in those days will lose it. I am talking about those with a bunker mentality who think the tribulation is already upon us and that they now need to form a resistance to world government from there bunker in the hills of Kentucky. I have news for them. The Beast is probably a couple of decades off in the future.
I was not saying that Satan has no control over the world. He is the prince of this world until Jesus comes but he has no control over those who died and are alive in Christ Jesus if they are walking in the Spirit.
Like I said, most of what I said in the previous comment was not direct to you. It was directed at those who believe in these conspiracy theories. You just happened to be the only one who posted so you just got me back on the conspiracy theory soapbox.
Very interesting! Don I think what you say totally makes sense here.
Thanks, I seem to have one vote for reason. 🙂
You are kidding, right ? Have you ever heard of Jekyll island and the creation of the Federal Reserve System in 1910 ? This is a true story. I am also wishing to object to bringing principles of the Christian church anywhere near this topic. The two stories aren’t even close… The Fed Story is true….
Thanks
I probably knew all about the half truths from the conspiracy people on the Federal Reserve System and everything else before you were born. I listened to that crap on their medias for decades. Every lie is mixed with some truth or you cannot sell it to people.
Over all the years you think they would come up with something credible and do something useful with their lives instead of rehashing scare stories. By the way, in the 80’s and 90’s the claimed insiders were teaching that the Illuminati had plans to take over the world by the year 2000. Gee they must not been so enlightened after all. The truth of the matter is these people exist to sell gullible people their lunacy.
If you have every been to a conspiracy convention and know of the books sold there and the people who attend tell me that the majority of these people are sane? Many of them still probably carry automatic weapons in their trunk to fight off the Chinese that the leaders of these conspiracy nuts claimed were hiding in the bushes since the 90’s to take over America to bring in the NWO.
II think Christian enabling this foolishness has gone on long enough. Teaching fiction that breeds hate and mistrust is not doing the work of Christ. There is enough evil and brainwashing going on in plan view to work against. We do not have to retort to looking in the latrine for cockroaches when the whole house is full of rats.
It just so happens that almost all these so called Christians expecting the Illuminati NWO are post toasties who do not believe in a pretribulation Rapture. They are expecting to fight off the Beast and his world system with their very own pop guns. Many are actually looking forwarded to it. That is a real Christian concept!
I am not saying that the creation of the Fed was good. We should have money that is backed by something of value and not just the trust of those who often prove to be untrustworthy by dumping green paper out of helicopters anytime they wish.
By the way, I will say what I want on my blog and that includes giving Christian principles in regard to this topic.
The problem is that the Christian right since Reagan has been responsible for mass murder and mass torture in circles of secrecy… You have to wonder at what would happen if JUST THE CHRISTIANS STOPPED KILLING PEOPLE… I mean, like, stop pulling the triggers on their guns..? Do you think the world would be happier ? I’m sure a few more folks might live a little bit longer… The American Government has been overtaxing the American people, about 70 to 80%), through taxation, (known as inflation) for a long, long time. Thie public record of how the FED came to be is recognized as the truth…and what it’s deception really means to us. It is not part of the government- it is owned privately and causes recessions and economic crisis via a scientific procedure. These devils have stolen most of the wealth of America and are being protected and paid by our government. This bailout will cost the poorest people in this country the most.
I think that your vision may be clouded because you think that the Bible story entitles you to some form of elite status… Unfortunately the truth is that the Bible story is the same Sun-Salvation-astronomy story that has been rendered in almost the exact same way throughout history to countless cultures…. Of course the deity was called Horus, or Ogden, Coatyl, or you can take your pick of the thousands of stories revolving around the sun and the seasons… with 12 brothers or disciples, born on Dec 25th of a virgin birth, with a thorny cross to die on and a resurrection 3 days later…
So if you think you are serving your God by trying to explain away our leader’s treason, I would say that you will get what you deserve…. just a question that may help me understand you… Are you a Republican ?
See what I mean about many conspiracy people being loons! Steve is a perfect example. Unfortunately gullible Christians do not realize that most of the people who spout and promote this conspiracy drivel are pagan radicals. They try to pass themselves off as patriotic Americans and that is why many Christians think they are on their side but they are not.
It does not matter if you call them the Far Left or the Far Right those on a globe who go far enough in one direction meet those coming from the other. If you ask them who the Illuminati are and the Federal bank leaders of the world they will be only too eager to tell you that they are Jews. Get the connection? They are often are different flavors of pagan socialist Nazis.
Please don’t put words in my mouth. If you hate Jews we are done here- Very common Christian rhetoric… You don’t hate others- just their religions, huh ?
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I guess you not did not get the connection. It is people like you who spout off about a cabal of evil bankers that are setting up the world for another Jewish holocaust! You claim a conspiracy of bankers for the world economic woes and taking all the wealth and many world bankers just happen to be Jews.
I have heard the Illuminati tribe of Dan Federal Reserve conspiracy rhetoric often enough to know who conspiracy people blame.
It happened in the 1930’s and 40’s and if a world economic collapse occurs again it will happen again if enough gullible people are led to believe in some Illuminati controlled elite cabal of Jewish bankers.
Sadly you put your own words in your own mouth when you wrote them here. You are correct you are done here. I do not need anti-Christian bigots on this Blog
Wow, it’s really amazing the degree to which some people are blinded. Steve really appears to inhabit his own very different reality from even the typically deluded person.
It’s really going to be amazing to see that even profoundly twisted and blinded Steve will come to bow before Jesus acknowledging His position as Lord:
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:9)
Steve,
Where are you getting this idea that Christians are pulling the trigger, mowing people down? Who’s telling you this? Can you provide examples? And don’t say Tim McVeigh, because that’s a load of BS.
Steve will not be answering because he will not put be posting his bigoted anti-Christian comments on this blog anymore. Christian forms are not the place to spout hatred against Christianity. In my experience when that is allowed anti-Christians trolls come out of the woodwork to defile the forum. They also soon get off topic and change discussions to an attack on the faith. Trying to reason with these blinded people is futile.
Hi, I think your article is clear, articulate, and most of all (shock lol :)) intelligent! Silliness aside, it is refreshing to see an American Christian commentator recognise that America has acted in an incredibly greedy, selfish and ungodly manner. You have purchased houses you could not afford, plasma tvs you did not need, and mountains of other consumer goods that you had no intention of ever paying for with cold hard cash. In short, you stole, and upon your collapse, motivated by selfishness and gluttony, you bankrupted the rest of the world.
Let me tell you, here in Australia, we do not see America as the centre of the universe. We see it as her rapist. All of the filthy false prophets, demonic “christian ” movements and televangelists, watered down Bibles, corrupted “worship” and so on have diluted the true message of the Holy scriptures.And for what? For greed, the chance at being a celebrity, for pride and selfish ambition.
There is so much corruption coming out of America, and the most dangerous is not the corruption on wall street., but the corruption of the American “church” that will lead to satans most hard won victory.
Wake up people. Strengthen what remains, The days are evil and our time here is short. Clean your lives up. Teach your children that the only place to find Truth and security is in the word of God. Stop being so selfish, greedy and self obsessed. There is a whole world out there that has had enough of America, and I’m not talking about Iraq or Iran.
I’m a little disturbed by what I’ve read here today. And I’m not talking about Steve. Steve is clearly an unbeliever who nonetheless raises legitimate issues about current events and trends (the bailout and “conspiracies”) and also about Christianity (its pagan elements and influences). Yet you dismiss him out of hand, and harshly, in a most unChristian fashion! First of all, you should address the inarguable fact: Christianity, in its current and historical form, has been corrupted by paganism. Examples abound (Christmas, Easter, the Catholic Church). Yet the Bible itself accounts for this! The “spirit of iniquity” and the OT identification of Satan with the sun are but two of the most important examples, yet instead of mentioning these in an apologia of the faith and a correction of Steve’s knowledge, you ban him from the forum? Would Jesus do this? Of course not. Would a rational person do this? Also negative. And with regard to his “conspiracy theories,” actual and suspected conspiracies run rampant throughout history–the Sanhedrin against Jesus, Brutus against Caesar, Hitler and the Reichstag fire, Iran Contra, just to cite a few. The word “conspiracy” exists for a reason, it is not merely a hypothetical, and like radio waves and X-rays, just because you cannot see them or can detect them only indirectly, doesn’t mean they do not exist. What blind thinking! An international conspiracy working toward a Beast-like system makes the most sense and is perfectly compatible with the Christian concept of a demonic conspiracy against God and mankind, instead of some random “oops, we got here somehow, I don’t know how.” Just because 9 out of 10 conspiracies or conspiracy nuts are lies or liars, doesn’t mean the 10th is an untruth. In fact, that’s the perfect way to conceal the truth, with lies that mimic it, much as the Devil himself counterfeits the truth. People could equally logically respond, “well, look at all these other kooky religions and crazy religionists. They’re not true, so Christianity must not be either!” And to say that the Devil has no control over this word until the tribulation, my response to you is: read your Bible, because it declares otherwise. There is something very fishy about your comments and responses. The best medicine for this forum is a brother’s rebuke. I think you’ve fallen prey to the Devil’s greatest trick: in convincing the world that he doesn’t exist (or that he has no influence, as the case may be).
Oh, and did I mention the Bush administration conspiracy to get us into Iraq (non-existent WMD’s, false Iraqi ties to Al-Qaeda, fabricated evidence), or are you one of those duped into believing Bush is a Christian, or that God spoke to Pat Robertson and told him Bush would be elected President? How easy is the work of false prophets!
Upon reading more of your website, I take a kinder view to it, despite this string of posts to which I am commenting, though I do not necessarily agree with a lot of your conclusions (though many I do, and many I find very original and thought-provoking). For instance, I disagree with your belief that Mystery Babylon is Rome, or at least with the degree of certainty to which you believe this. There are four main points that I always bring up with regard to this: first, that the phrase “seven hills” is actually mistranslated and should properly be “seven mountains,” in accordance with the same word from Jeremiah translated as “mountain” that describes ancient Babylon; second, that Babylon’s being Rome would seem to contradict the Antichrist as being “King of Babylon” or at least as the head of a revived Roman empire, since in Revelation he is clearly responsible for its destruction; third, that Babylon is not a “religious” harlot as many describe her but a spiritual and economic harlot, which Rome could not claim to have been for many centuries now (the merchants of the earth would not weep over the destruction of Rome because no one buys from them anymore); and finally, that the “mystery” of Mystery Babylon would be rather pointless, since the idea of Rome being Babylon has been around for centuries. On this last point, I do realize that the title “mystery” has more meaning than its obvious one, such as its ties to Mystery religion, but I think that the Rome Theory is a (largely unintentional) diversionary tactic of sorts that has kept the true identity of Mystery Babylon just that: a mystery.
Steve was banned for exactly the reasons I said. He was not banned because he was talking about conspiracy theories. I agree with some of what you said. There of course is a conspiracy against God’s people and Satan works through people. That does not mean these people know it and have formed a conspiracy to deceive. The problem with those who want to find human conspiracies all the time is that they often use that as an excuse to foster hate and even become the predators of those who they THINK are evil. The weapons of our warfare are not carnal.
So because 1 out of 10 conspiracies have some merit I should accept them all? Not very logical.
Your also obviously brainwashed on Bush. Everyone who can listen and read knows he was only doing what our Intelligence told him. Why don’t you just give it up. You repeat conspiracy slogans from Demoncrates that are not true and thus you turn yourself into a false witness.
Most of the last statement is totally off topic. So I am not going to comment on it here. If you want my position on Babylon I give it in chapter 17 and 18 of my Revelation Commentary. The Commentary is near the top of the sidebar.