One of the reasons why I no longer link to Newswithviews.com is the many hateful conspiracy loons who write articles on that forum. There are some good posts on that website so I check it but I wish writers with Christian discernment would post elsewhere.
I cannot believe that intelligent people would actually believe that our own government was behind 9/11. These people see all government linking to a great unprovable international conspiracy to bring in some imaginary new world order that is already set in stone in back rooms of think tanks. They have been on this nonsense for many decades but they continually find a new audience. I guess the leaders make a living off of it or they like to develop a following. However the truth of the matter is that nothing like this can happen until God allows it and when He allows it their will not be one thing they can do to stop it.
If things in the world really were as sinister as these people like to claim why are they allowed to live to spout their secret inside knowledge? These people even go beyond the fringe Left that likes to see fascism behind every bush and thus see 9/11 as a fascist power grab by the Right but if the Far Left actually wanted to see fascism all they would really have to do is look in a mirror and project their own thoughts out a few years.
But no, these don’t claim to be on the Left, They claim to be civil Libertarians who want to go back to what they think is the real intent of the founding fathers and the American Constitution. As if they could really know how our founding fathers would interpret their own words when addressing unique 21st century problems. I think our founding fathers would even be more pro active and more military minded than anyone like George Bush. Our founding fathers launched what they though were just wars for reasons that pale compared to the post 9/11 nuclear threat.
These people are always against government they are really anarchists. They live in some backwoods fantasy world. They do not have a clue that if we or the world went to the form of government that they suggest that it would cause Anarchy everywhere. It would bankrupt the nation, and put us in a great depression for fifty years. Sure maybe we should have never gone down this road but get in reality we did! Now we need to complete the journey because there is no going back. Those bridges have long been cut. Going back would mean many different things to many different people and everyone would be running amok doing what they think is right in their own eyes while the nation burns.
Some of these Libertarians are very legalistic in their biblical interpretations. They have no understanding of the Spirit of passages. they want the whole world to live under their own narrow interpretation of Old Testament Biblical laws that never could be even marginally followed except through Christian conversion.
They rail against all popular elected government and the will of the people but what they propose is a very limited government that would be narrowly defined by themselves. They think they can start over without paying our debts and honoring our treaties. Who would trust that America? They will say they do not advocate that but they certainly do. There limited government and very limited taxation could never pay what we owe to our own people or what we owe to other nations. I guess they would just tell everyone on Social Security and Medicare to get back to work because they can’t pay the entitlements you worked for all your life. Get a grip!
Last I read the Bill of rights gives us freedom of speech in this nation. Yet Devvy Kidd wants Michael Reagan to do jail time for his expression of outrage against people like her who make hate speech statements against government. Move to Burma if you want that!
She would be the first one to condemn hate speech legislation if it were passed but she herself says that Michael Reagan should be arrested for his rail against the hate speech she spouts.
I guess she thinks the American constitution only applies to the great enlightened conspiracy elite like herself.
Devvy Kidd — Indict Michael Reagan, Applaud Senator Karen Johnson
INDICT MICHAEL REAGAN, APPLAUD SENATOR KAREN JOHNSON
By: Devvy
June 16, 2008© 2008 – NewsWithViews.com
“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly – it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.” Joseph Goebbels, Hitler’s Minister of Propaganda
It takes a lot to shock me anymore, but indeed, shock is what registered when I listened to talk show host, Michael Reagan, blast these words during the second hour of his show, June 10, 2008:
Partial transcript of Reagan’s statements which can be heard here (3:12 minutes):
“Excuse me folks, I’m going to say this. We ought to find the people who are doing this, take them out and shoot them. Really. You take them out, they are traitors to this country, and shoot them. You have a problem with that? Deal with it. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that’s what they are, and you shoot them dead. I’ll pay for the bullets. ”Reagan adds, “How about you take Mark Dice out and put him in the middle of a firing range. Tie him to a post, don’t blindfold him, let it rip and have some fun with Mark Dice.”
At the end when Reagan says “…these people are just outrageous,” I assume it’s Reagan’s engineer says, “Now you know where the Ron Paul supporters went.”
Who is Mark Dice? I had never heard of him until this happened. It appears he’s a 911 activist who has joined with others in a project to present information about 911 to the troops in Iraq. These packages going to active duty soldiers in a war zone was covered on FOX in a 5:12 minute interview with Dice and Megyn Kelly. You can watch this short video here. This is very reminiscent of what happened a long time ago which resulted in what became known as the ‘Great Sedition Trial of 1944,’ where the defendants were charged with trying to incite mutiny within the troops during WWII; they were not convicted. Dice has filed a report with the FBI.
If questioning our government, even during a war based on nothing but lies, is considered an act of treason and we should all be hunted down and shot, then millions of Americans, me included, are guilty. We demand the truth and we will continue to fight for the truth. Senator Karen Johnson deserves our thanks and respect. Michael Reagan deserves our contempt and jail time.
Don,
While I’m not advocating anything these people are saying, you have to admit that we are not far from collapse as a nation. THEN who will pay for all the unfunded mandates such as Social Security? If any semblance of our government survives, you can bet that it will force is citizens to retire the foreign debt rather than repudiate it; the payment will have to be in real assets as our currency will be worthless. Even now, I know I’ll never see a cent of my SS contribution, and I’d resent it deeply if I didn’t rest on my true citizenship in Heaven.
No, there is no turning back. I agree that we are too far along the path to turn back now, but I seriously don’t think this nation (or the world) has enough time remaining to start a new cycle before the Tribulation begins.
Rather, the renewal we seek is past the storm, just as the praying for the true “Peace of Jerusalem” means praying past “Jacob’s Trouble.”
I have to say that glad (in a serious way) that it’s finally coming to a climax. I am sin-sick of this world (including my sinful contribution), and while I want people to come to Jesus, I also want Jesus to come soon.
Sorry if this sounds like a rant.
Hi Brett,
What you said is not a rant, you are correct. I think we have only one way to go and that is down. I have said on these blogs that within ten years people will have about half the standard of living that they have today.
I do not think it will go down much more than that unless we enter the tribulation because all the world will get together and come up with something even if it means a one world currency. Everyone has too much to lose. I see hyper inflation solving part of our entitlement debt. They will have to have some kind of social security and medical care to appease the people but Its going to get real tough for the common working man. I think for most people retirement will be more in the order of socialized subsistence living than good living.
I think we have about 20 years to the tribulation so no I don’t see a new cycle restoring America. If you and other true Christians are tired of this sick sinfully world imagine how God feels. Time is short.
>>>Imaging how God feels.
Indeed, that’s a good part of where my groaning comes from.
Conspiracy Loons?
Boy, is your mind closed! I am an ex-Persian Gulf veteran and when this honorable gobernment was lying out its rear end telling the Iraqis were mobilizing on the Kuwait/Saudi border ready to invade Saudi Arabia, we knew better as our recon pilots were telling us the Iraqis were way back near the Iraq/Kuwait border digging ditches and waiting for the American onslaught.
We were lied about Pearl harbour and Roosevelt’s prior knowledge so why not 911. How did building 7 go down? It was not hit buy a plane. Alos, many eye witeness heard explosiong balsting all over the towers. Moreover, the tower were demolished and fell like demolition buildings.
Several Israelis (children’s gods and false idols) Mossad agents were detained after being apprehended by FBI officials having explosives, false Arab passports and 4700 dollars worth of US dollars. They were doing “High Fives” (seen by witness) while the towers were on fire and collapsing. Israeli lobby and government is a rogue government and the Jewish lobby runs this country and stupid Christians who pervserly believe they are still God’s chosen people by having false bible interpretations. Several Isralei’s were apprehended having bombs and surveilling nuclear sub bases in georgia and Washington. I have amassed alot of evidence.
Too many stupid Americans out there and may I add majority of Chrsitians. You guys have a false view of how the US Government works (read Economic Hit mean) and the real agenda. I believe the CIA was involved with the Mossad.
All governments lie on occasion for their own reasons as do most people.
You want to believe that everyone in government is just going to go along with some conspiracy contrary to our Constitution and not expose it. That is ridiculous. You dishonor all in government who took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States. I am one of those and I held Top Secret SCI and Crypto clearances for many years and I do not recall any conspiracies. No conspiracies of the extent that you suggest could ever be covered up.
Some people will believe anything they read on the internet and just blame the Jews!
With today’s wide dissemination of knowledge, I’d give a 9/11 conspiracy about a month before someone spilled-the-beans, perhaps quicker if a book-deal could be closed sooner.
Perhaps we are see some projection from Peter? Certainly the liberals think conservatives will choose to lie in any given situation, but real observations show that its the liberals who have little scruples about lying. Likewise, there have been a number of cases where communist countries have killed their own people in order to score propaganda points (this is SOP for terrorists).
However Peter, not everyone operates on the basis of the “ends justifying the means.” I certainly don’t.
You got that right.
It is funny but I never get any real proof from the conspiracy people on the conspiracies they have been talking about for many years. All they give is third hand information from people who make a living selling conspiracies to gullible people.
Don,
why did you pull my post on this subject? It didn’t break any guidelines. Just wondering before I spend time replying to any other post.
Tony
Read rule number four of my commenting policy on the top of my sidebar. True, I made the rule after you sent me the comment but I added the rule because comments like yours are irresponsible and harmful and endanger the existence of this website especially if government should declare martial law. The claims that our government had some involvement in 9/11 is loony, anti American and being a false witness. Even 95 percent of the conspiracy loons that post on newswithviews would not suggest that our government brought down the twin towers. Regurgitated 9/11 conspiracy nonsense does not belong on a Christian website and those who spout it and websites that post it will only accomplish being profiled as domestic terrorists by law enforcement. There are some exceptions like Rosie who are just believed to be insane.
I am truly tired with these American hardcore Libertarian anarchists, with the both Leftist and Right-wing European anti-Zionist and America-haters and with the overwhelming majority of Muslims who support these despicable 9/11 conspiracy views.
So Don, if you allow me, I would like to suggest to all those “9/11 Truth” seekers who believe the American gov’t caused or allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen, to look on Meta Cafe, YouTube or some other video site for the BBC’s “Conspiracy Files” program on this issue.
Here’s the official link for more information: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/conspiracy_files/6160775.stm
And no, this program was not a Bush/CIA/Zionist-BBC conspiracy. The BBC is also not exactly known as the most unbiased and pro-Israel or Right-wing news service, by the way. And it’s not owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Happy truth seeking y’all.
Thank God He is the one with the Last word on all of this. I believe our country is in dire straights…..do I believe that 9-11 was arrannged by some in the Government? I haven’t all the facts but it wouldn’t surprise me after alot of information on many issues has come to my attention. I think the Government, specifically the President and several Presidents before him are all part of an agenda to take this country into a socialist community of Federal control….I think the Council on Foreign Relations has too much influence with the President and has in the last few Presidentcies….I believe the USDA, the FDA are too closely linked to companies like Monsanto who also are linked to the Presidents formentioned. Our health care is directly connected to our food and our envirorment….too much plastic, too much toxins from hormone pumped cattle and chicken, too much herbisides and pesticides and who knows the bad effects Genetically Modified foods are having on our systems and our Childrens for that matter…The Bible states that it is the LOVE of Money that is the root of All evil., not money itself but the love of it….I have in the past year realized how true this is. The FDA was once trustworthy but the fox has gotten into the hen house…..companies are making policies and some Government officials are having their pockets lined if not while they are in office then by taking jobs with them later down the road.
In Ephesians 6:10-18 God tells us we do not fight against people (flesh) but against evil forces , Demonic powers in high places…God goes on to tell us how to defeat these forces . There is much evil in this world and there is coming a day when the light will be shown on all those who were doing the evil, they will not be able to call folks conspiriacy nuts any longer. Thank God we still have freedom of speech for now even though some can pull the plug if they so desire and have the power to do so whether it be on TV, printed page or the internet. Oh I have heard about the coming Martial Law rumors, it’s all over the net if you want to search for it…..and sorry to say, there seems to be some validity to it to cause me to be concerned. What benefit to the American people is it to shut up someone from speaking about it.. I am to the point I am questioning everyones motives on all sides of the issues….are they in it for money is the big question…..Talk shows, blogs etc , who is pandering to them, who is paying the bills? Sir you state that you cannot believe someone could believe people in our Government could have had their hand in 9-11…I once thought that way myself but of late my eyes have been opened to just how corrupt this world is . ……I once held President Bush in high regard but I see now that I was wrong and just as I was deceived so are those who voted for President Obama…they may look like they are of different material but they have come from the same factory. Altho I love the USA and I do hold the office of President with high regard I understand just how things work now. My devotion will be to save the lost and raise up the name of Jesus Christ that captives can be set free. I will no longer let the political system use me like a puppet to minipulate me for votes….God is my King, I bow to Him alone….not to Government programs , not to Church traditions, not to any man.
I just stumbled upon this site, but I must say it has disturbed me somewhat. I hate the fact that some call themselves Christian and yet back bite and tear down their fellow brothers in Christ….I understand now why God tells us that if His People will humble themselves, turn from Their Evil Ways and pray, that God will hear from heaven and heal our land…it begins with us…..we have devoured each other, we have not loved our brothers, we have not shown the World that we belong to Him because we have not had love for one another. There will be no Baptists in heaven, no Pentecostals, no Methodists, etc…Just those who Follow Christ., Christians (1 Cor 3). I know some of the folks who write on News with Views…..they are committed to God and love this country., they are true patriots. I do not see News with Views as you do..altho I can say that when I read the articles I do have a decerning eye and don’t swallow everything hook, line and sinker but I won’t ignore it either because they could be right but for the most part, folks are listening to each other and are putting the facts together and God is showing us the truth. America is a great country…..I for one do not want to see my Children live in a Country with any less then what I had growing up….Freedom is at risk and it is worth fighting for.and I do not want my Children endentured for the rest of their lives to a system that sold us out to the highest bidder. So I for one will get my news from other than the media elite and News with Views is part of my information outlet.
Kind…
I actually agree with most of what you said.
I was mainly talking about the Newswithviews writers that are constantly harping on some Illuminati running the world. There are powerful people in the world that are trying to manage the world through elitist think tanks and clubs of influence but God is in control of the world not them or the Devil. I think some writers on Newsforviews have lost sight of that fact. I do not caution against Newswithviews to tear down fellow Christians. I doubt if some of the far right and libertarian fringe revolutionaries that write articles there are truly Christians. Just because one is a true patriot of the American form of government does not equate to being Christian. If they are Christians they are building on the house of God with straw. They generally are correct that America has left the constitution but they are not correct in many other things they say.
I think if you checked into the religious beliefs of some of them you would find that they are fundamentalist legalists, some are in a cult and some fellowship nowhere and their interpretation of the Bible is unique to themselves. Some are Christian Dominionists and think Christians will have to fight with weapons of the world to win the world for Christ. Some need to understand the New Testament because they actually think mankind can live under Law in the flesh without a spiritual birth.
Having said that, there are some good writers on Newswithviews and there are legitimate points from even the worst of them that discerning people might want to know. I read some of the writers myself but some of them writers are just wacky and I no longer give them any credibility.
In any case if you read other articles on my Blog you will see that I see things much the way you do.
The simple fact of the matter is that the constitution is a contract to protect the rights of the people from abuse of power by government,it is a contract in which the government is in dishonor.
The only way the majority of politicians in the U.S. would uphold the constitution,would be to wave a copy of it around over their head.
This country runs on a bastardized mix of codes and statutes,that is called the uniform commercial codes.
Too many people have zero knowledge of these codes…….