If you look on my blog side bar you will see by far the post that is being hit on the most frequently is The Book of Enoch and Bible prophecy. That fact probably has more to do with keyword rankings in Google then it does with the interests of the readers of this Blog, but even so, the account in Genesis of the Son’s of God taking the daughters of men as wife’s and producing an offspring called the Nephilim seems to be of great interest to a whole lot of people. Perhaps that is because people sense that there is more to the story than what they were taught in Sunday school on this topic.
The usual view taught on this is the Sons of Seth theory, but that theory just does not answers the many questions it raises. So instead of believing doctrines of well meaning but wrong teachers. I really have to take what the Bible says on this subject literally. I can also confirm through other ancient books such as The Book of Enoch and the writing of Josephus and others that the ancients also took quite literally the account of angels taking women and producing a mighty race called the Nephilim.
It then seems to me that if you take what is said literally these offspring of angels and humans corrupted the world and all air breathing flesh. They were the reason why God had to destroy the world to preserve the pure Adamic race through Noah so that a Kinsman Redeemer of Adam could come and pay the price and redeem the Adamic race from their bondage to sin.
In other words, this corrupting of human genetics was an attempt by Satan’s angels to literally short-circuit God’s divine plan of redemption to save the human race.
I will not get into all the details because Jack Kelly already says it better than I can or anyone else I have read in his article called, The Nephilim.
By the way, Jack Kelly is a very astute Bible prophecy teacher that writes about many topics that you are not likely to get very clear or correct answers to in Sunday School. On a scale of one to ten among Bible Prophecy discernment Jack Kelly is a ten. He is not afraid to disagree with other teachers that teach a more classical view on Bible prophecy if that is where his own study leads him. His website is gracethrufaith.com but don’t go there unless you want a lot of food for thought on Bible prophecy and other biblical topics of interest.
On the Nephilim subject and Jack’s article, I will just add a couple of my own thoughts here. I think that one or more of the wife’s of the sons of Noah carried the Nephilim gene and that is why they began reappearing some time after the flood and why God told Israel to kill everyone in Canaan. I do not think the angels that sinned and were chained after the flood were replace by more angels that did it all over again like I have heard some teachers say. I think there had to be a genetic mop up operation after the populations of Canaan had become genetically corrupted again and that is why God directed that all the people occupying Canaan had to be totally wiped out.
I wrote my own article on this topic about ten years ago, I called it Aliens. So what does UFO Alien conjecture have to do with what happened in Genesis? I guess you need to read the articles to get the full picture on that.
It Seems to me that when Satan is cast out of heaven unto the earth just prior to the 3 1/2 year great tribulation, that this attempt by Satan’s angels to corrupt all flesh is going to get new legs. I do not know how it will all play out but I think it has something to do with the Mark of the Beast. Perhaps the Mark is more than just an identification chip to buy and sell. Perhaps if you take it, it will actually modify your genetics and you will no longer be a pure human, you will be transhuman or even superhuman. It may be the great evolutionary leap forward for mankind that is being promised by “New Age” and “New Spiritually” teachers.
So could you resist this temptation, deception or delusion to become superhuman if only you took the Mark? Most will not, I think most will be eager to take the Mark that will initiate them into the collective spiritual body of Satan. My conjecture is that Satan will promise people very long life or even eternal life while people are still in their bodies of flesh and still in their sin. All they need to do is take upon themselves the Mark that somehow gives them human angel hybrid genetics.
The Antichrist or False Prophet wont tell them that those who had corrupted genetics before the flood became wandering spirits after their bodies were destroyed in the flood (the demons) and he won’t tell them that they also will be tormented forever and they will not find rest. However, God’s angels will warn all mankind not to take the Mark so none will be without excuse. Thus those who seek to save their mortal lives by taking the Mark will lose their eternal soul.
It is also silly for anyone to even think they can physically fight against Satan and his angels with human weapons. Those that are arming for this war are on the wrong page in the wrong book. Will you really try to fight against angels with bullets? Your weapons used against them would do nothing but get yourself killed. Nobody will be able to stand against them, not even the two prophets of God. However, Jesus Christ will defeat all those that follow Satan at his second coming.
I have always had the feeling in my gut that there was something a little more to the statement that Jesus made about “as it was in the days of Noe”. It makes more sense also as to why God wanted the Israelites to kill everything, sometimes even the livestock. Also why certain Israelites mentioned as being stoned to death because they hid a piece of gold that had been shaped into an idol or something. God did not want anything left un-destroyed that would be a reminder or a stumbling block as to the way Israel was suppose to live, in total reliance and worship of God.
There are many things that marvel the imagination of the world and we can see this by looking at the media. The paranormal is one. There is a movie called the same way which recently was a blockbuster. The superpowers. All this movies about normal people being born with super powers or mutations, Superman, Spiderman, the X men, and every other movie about super powers. The witchcraft. This movie series about the English witchboy have been a great success. The vampires. Many have seen the last movie about vampires, I don’t remember its name. The aliens. Even cartoon movies for kids have this topic on and on , since ET to the latest movie called Monsters versus Aliens, this alien thing is very popular. The physical part of the human being is exalted by all the implants and botox people use and merchadice. (Sex and violence are the most common topics in movies now)
Now imagine if all this could become true: to have a great young immortal (satanic) body inmune to diseases and accidents, to have special superpowers by satinic influence and genetic modifications, and to be able to communicate with inteligent beings from other dimensions. All of this in one package, given free to everyone in the world, by the antichrist, as part of his plan. It would be like in the movies. Who would not acept all this with the only condition to worship the Beast?.
On TV as well. The very popular “Heroes” is about people that get supernatural powers after a time of destruction on the earth. There have been many TV programs about aliens.
Then there is Oprah promoting The Secret” and every “New Age/New Spirituality” clone that she can find. Most teach the evolution of the body and the spirit and they get their claimed knowledge from assended masters that are paving the way for mankind’s great evolutionary leap forward.
Once they get rid of the negative thinking people ( Bible believing Christians) they think they can get anything they want by collective visualizing of it. They think they are all part of the collective consciousness of god and that mankind will soon create its own reality.
Much of this is also interwoven in Word Faith concepts. The Emergent movement is also opened to spiritualism and a God made up in their own mind. In Catholicism you have Mary and the Catholic Saints bearing gifts to those that honor them. Then in Eastern religions they appease their own gods through sacrifice and ritual to get favor.
My, how mankind has progressed……. progressed back to Babylon if you ask me.
Put is all together and it kind of makes one think the whole world is being set up for a great spiritual deception .
With all that Eduardo and Don wrote about it is time to pay attention to Ephesians 6:10-18. I believe Satan can give some people powers beyond natural physical limitations, but it is the reward in the end that’s a real deal breaker for me.
Ya know……… I really wish I could prove you wrong. Unfortunately, I cannot. I wish I could say you are wrong. I don’t know that I can do that either. I suspect the world has always been a scarey place. That concept seems to be coming more and more into focus as of late, however. What do you figure to be the odds of this idea as being correct? -or- do you just see it as one of the ideas in the broad spectrum of possible ways things could play out in the end times??
I guess I cannot be sure exactly how the alien deception will all play out but 10 to 1 there will be some form of deception claiming to be friendly beings from another world or dimension. In fact they will be fallen angels and demons. I do not see it as just one possibly in a broad spectrum of possibilities. Most in the broad spectrum will tie together to form one massive “New Age” New spirituality” deception.
I definatly think there will be a deception where the fallen ones will pass them selves of as aliens here to help us. Could all this UFO sightings etc be part of the lying signs and wonders that will precede the seudo christs coming? I think it could be.
It will be like as in the days before Noah, the fallen ones mixing them selves with mankind.
In the book of Daniel where he is talking about the final empire he wrote this…
Dan 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
THEY being somthing other than the seed of men.
This is in the king james version and youngs literal translation and the versions that take translate in a literal way, but in the new international version and other modern translations that parafrase they render it as different nationalitys intermarrying, like thats never happened before.
I GET REALLY NERVOUS TALKING ABOUT ALL THIS STUFF, B-CUZ IN MY HEART OF HEARTS~I KNOW ITS REAL! I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THE NEPHLEM WILL BE BACK TO TRY TO TAKE OVER THIS EARTH! BACK IN THE YEAR OF 2002, I THOUGHT WELL WE HAVE 10 YEARS LEFT TO PREPARE. WELL ITS 2 YEARS AWAY AND TIME IS NOT SLOWING DOWN FOR ANY OF US! PRAY! DONT GIVE INTO THIS DEVILS! BELIEVE, HAVE FAITH AND ALWAYS KNOW THAT GOD HAS YOUR BACK! HE HAS MINE AND I REFUSE TO GIVE IN TO THIS MONSTERS!! GOOD LUCK AND I HOPE EVERYONE HAS EVERLASTING PEACE! HEATHER AND FAMILY!
The Nephilim were the offspring of Angels and woman. They will not be back they never left they were killed and perhaps are now wondering spirits (demons). Satan and his angels will be cast down unto the earth they have no intentions to come back to take over the earth since they already administrate it. The time when Satan and his angels are limited to just the earth and Satan realizes his time is short to kill the Jews is at least a decade in the future and the Church will not be here when that happens.
According to Midrash the two Angels have approached God and ask why he puts up with
human behavior as in constant disobedience and disrespect? God have responded that
without humans there would be no purpose for the earth to exist. To which the two
angles have responded that, We the angels are good enough reason for creation to
go on. To what God have answered them, if you was in the place of humans you would
behave even worse. To which the two angels have retort, Master! Send us to earth to
live among humans and we will prove our love and commitment to You!
It has been said that God have granted there request.
As they have encountered women physical appearance and experience desire and
infatuation to which the women was willing to return there feelings it was
beyond there ability to control, because, they was celestial beings of limtless
power, but in ways of the flesh they was like children completely innocent and
did not know how to handle it. On the other hand there progeny was abominations
because if the powers they was born with not knowing how to use it but only
knowing how to abuse it. The name of the Angels was Shamchazai and Azael.
And sins if any that they start out with was arrogance they should have
trusted there Creator. I do not know what became of them, but they was not fallen
to start with, and came to earth with Gods consent at there own request.
That story just goes to show you that gaps in knowledge about biblical events should not be filled in with someone’s fantasy.
IF YOU CAN NOT BE AT PEACE WITH ONE ANOTHER HOW DO YOU SIR EXPECT YOURSELF TO BE AT PEACE WITH GOD? BY READING YOUR COMMENTS OR POINT OF VIEW AGAINST EVERY RELIGION BELIEF I CAME TO WONDER HOW CAN YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT THINKING THAT YOU CAN BE LOVED BY ANYONE IF ALL YOU FEEL ABOUT THEM IS NOT PLEASING TO YOURSELF. DO YOU ACTUALLY CONSIDER YOURSELF THE KING OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND IF SO WHERE DID YOU RECEIVED THIS REVELATIONS FROM? GOD? BESIDES POLITICS AND RELIGION DO NOT MIX,ONE ARE MAN MADE LAWS AND RELIGION IS A INDIVIDUAL,SPIRITUAL EXPRESSION ABOUT GOD.
SO IF GOD HIMSELF GAVE US FREEDOM TO CHOOSE WHO ARE WE TO TRY TO TAKE THIS GIFT AWAY FROM ONE ANOTHER,KNOW THIS THAT GOD LOVE US ALL THE SAME, AND JESUS HIS SON DIED FOR US “ALL” INCLUDING THOSE YOU SEEM NOT TO AGREED WITH, DO NOT GET LOST IN THE ILLUSIONS OF THIS WORLD, AND ENJOY YOUR EARTHLY JOURNEY BY LOVING ONE ANOTHER AS JESUS TAUGHT TO DO.
These links should answer all your questions.
Politics and Christianity do mix because we have a King and He just happens to rule His creation.
Jesus died for all so that all that choose to believe in His righteousness will be saved. Jesus did not die so people would remain trapped in ignorant religious lies that separate them from God.
Loving one another is caring about the eternal destiny of their souls. Any man that says he loves his neighbor but does not warn him when he is on a road that leads to destruction of their soul is a liar.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/theonlyway.HTM
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/How%20one%20is%20saved.htm
Awesome articles. I too have come to the conclusion that the mark will have some sort of innoculation aspect to it. I currently have a noticeable mark on my arm from a childhood set of needles that they don’t give out anymore. (at least not where I’m from) Although I was young, I remember the needle looked like a gun that was held to my arm.
With all this buzz about vaccines and the WHO wanting to make them mandatory… this is so plausible now.
One other thing though, sadly, horribly, it churns my stomach, I believe Mystery Babylon is America. In my estimation of everything, this means North America as a whole with its epicentre at New York. I don’t take this lightly and when I first had the thought I pushed it out of my mind. Then a couple of years later I actually read a book (not from an American) and he said the same thing. No I read this theory everywhere. I don’t think this could have been seen until just recently. I also think the full development of this is in the works.
Many, many writings say Mystery Babylon is the revised Roman Empire/ the EU. It seemed correct for the last 15 years or so. Not anymore.
P.S. Book of Enoch is one of the most interesting books to have been removed from the Bible we now know. The first followers of Jesus had this scripture as did the teachers of the law. I guess they were too dumb to know any better? Highly doubtful.
Kindest regards
Thanks Monica,
Mystery Babylon is religion, not America. The best way I can tell you who she is, is to give you a link to what I wrote in chapter 17 and 18 of my Revelation commentary.
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/The%20book%20of%20Revelation/Revelation%20Chapter%2017.htm
http://www.thepropheticyears.com/The%20book%20of%20Revelation/Revelation%20Chapter%2018.htm
Europe never could qualify to be Mystery Babylon either, but the EU will morph into the Beast as it gains more control over the area of the Old Roman Empire.
The book of Enoch is corrupted if it ever was inspired at all. “The Book of Enoch and Bible prophecy” is the most read post on this blog. So read the different positions if you want to know more. Its on the sidebar.
Hi Don,
I think you may be right about how the Mark of the Beast could perhaps “modify your genetics”. Perhaps the “number of a man” the bible is talking about is the antichrist’s DNA (a triple helix with 6 chemicals/elements on each strand, or 666). Once a person mixes the fallen angel’s DNA with his own, he cannot be redeemed, for Christ did not die to redeem the angels, only man. He/she would be cursed, just like the Nephilim. What do you think?
Hi Margo,
I don’t know much about genetics so I really cannot say how it might shake out, but your explanation sounds plausible to me considering the little that I know. I do think there is much more than a tattoo or identification chip involved.
“TOM AND NITA HORN HAVE WRITTEN AN UNPRECEDENTED EXPOSE, WHICH EVERY PERSON OF FAITH NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND. HOW HUMAN-TRANSFORMING TECHNOLOGIES WILL SOON RADICALLY ALTER WHAT IT MEANS TO BE HUMAN… AND WITH IT… THE RULES FOR SPIRITUAL ENGAGEMENT, IS SOMETHING PEOPLE WILL NEGLECT AT THEIR OWN PERIL!
Rufusenick,
No need to shout around here. Horn gives a unique view of how the world will be taken over by demonic forces, it is not necessarily the correct one. I also think that everyone will be fully aware of what the Mark of the Beast is and according to Revelation the angel will warn all not to take the mark of the Beast. Not to mention that the faithful Church has nothing to fear since it will not be here.
I have wondered what affect Hebrews 1:5 has on the “sons of God” interetation throughout the bible.
Heb 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
This verse seems to suggest that God has never called any angel son at any time.
Sam
There is a difference between the sons of God and the only BEGOTTEN (not made) Son of God. The angels were made, the Son of God is the image of God from eternity past to eternity future.
Don, have you read any articles by the late Dr. David Allen Lewis? I think he makes a good argument that the anti-Christ could be one of these alien beings to deceive the people into believing he is a higher power, a supreme being. He also makes a point that the frog like creatures out of the mouth of the beast may very well be alien beings to deceive everyone that’s left behind. That did get my attention, by looking at the discriptions of aliens by abductees they have an uncanny resemblance to frogs. What say you on this matter?
Hi Nathan,
i was not a follower of Dr. David Allen Lewis, by the time I found out about him at a Bible prophecy conference he was already in very bad physical shape and was hardly understandable.
I have heard many give conjectures about the fallen angels disguising themselves as gods like Zeus or Apollo or posing as creatures from a more advance dimension. I think all this interest in Alien beings will lead into that deception myself. Sorry about the typos on the emailed comment, I hit the wrong button.
Don,
I think the conjecture about fallen angels going by the names of the Greek gods is right on the money. I also think a whole lot of other Greek Mythology ie, Hercules, Ajax, the Minotaur etc, are in fact ancient embroidered memories of Nephilim and the mixing of species.
Regarding your view that the Nephilim genes were carried in some of Noah’s sons wives, and not the result of a second direct angel contact. Take another look at the 200 angels that swore the oath on Mt Hermon. I see ten that appear not to have gone through with the plan at that time.
Phil,
Your claim that 200 angels swore an oath on Mt Hermon and the rest of that conjecture about a second angelic corruption is not found in the Bible. Other sources are not reliable, they are probably just ancient fables.
The important point is that when Satan and his angels are cast unto the earth in the end times they probably will try corrupting man’s genetics again through the mark of the Beast.
Don,
I agree that its not found in the Bible, so I can’t make a case from the extra biblical texts alone. But I don’t think I am straying outside of normal scholarly practice by using those texts where they seem to expand on the existent Biblical narrative.
I think you are most probably right about the mark of the beast involving genetic corruption. But that line of thought owes more to logical interpretation of what we see happening around us, than to pure scripture.
The pre-flood genetic corruption of mankind was clearly achieved through sexual contact. Why should we think it will be different post-flood?
I don’t think these two ideas are mutually exclusive.
Phil,
You cannot expand upon the existent Biblical narrative when the real source is not known and the information is not reliable. Some in Bible prophecy today want to rely on pagan sources to expand upon Biblical truths. They come up with all kinds of conjectures and like to think of themselves as Bible prophecy experts and write books and do the prophecy circuits. However, decades from now most of what these wrote about will be seen as foolishness. It was no different with the authors that wrote ancient fables about the flood hundreds or even thousands of years after they occurred.
Today there are ways, or there will soon be ways to change the genetics of people by just introducing a designer virus that could change human DNA to some alien life form as fast as an infection. Satan will only have 42 months to accomplish this Mark of the Beast program in humans. He will not have time to do it through sex. The fallen angels apparently had hundred of years to corrupt the genetics of pre-flood beings. Today, this can be done in much the same way that a introduced computer worm (a alien program) can soon take over the whole computer.
I don’t think anyone knows what this is fully about but earth dwellers have some intrusting demonic deceptions ahead of them. I don’t think most have a clue how devious and intelligent this counterfeit god will be.
Don, I don’t think you can put the books of Enoch and Jasher in the same category as pagan sources. They are mentioned in scripture, and regularly quoted by scholars throughout church history.
I see as much evidence of Nephilim in history and archaeology, as I see for their potential spread through modern scientific techniques.
If it was possible for angels to mix our genes with their own in a test tube, I think they would have taken that fast track for the pre-flood incursion. Or at least used that as one method.
I am no expert in genetics, but it appears to me they are unable to mix their genes with ours, and then bring the resultant child to full term outside of a female womb. That is a reason I think the infection, as you describe it, will be with Nephilim genes, rather than pure angel genes. And its one of the reasons I think Nephilim already exist.
Phil,
Sure I can put Enoch and Jasher in the same category as pagan sources because the Bible only mentions the book of Jasher as a historical reference. Jewish and Christian scholars agree that the speculations in Jasher are not inspired scripture. The Book of Enoch is not mentioned in the Bible at all. What Enoch prophesied is in Jude, but it does not mention a book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch was around before the time of Jesus but it probably was not the book we have today. The book we have today is probably written by more than one author and other than the first few pages that on the surface has a similar statement as what is written in Jude (It is not the same as Jude),I doubt if today we have anything more than a corruption of the original book of Enoch that was not never authored by Enoch anyway.
Anyway, the book of Enoch is covered by a post with many comments. It is the number one hit on post on this blog (see side bar) so there is no point to continue on that topic here.
What I am saying is that today humans can be genetically changed after they become adults. They are switching on or off people’s genes now, but that that does not make them a different species. Changing the DNA would make different species and they are doing that through breeding chimeras but they are also working to do that through nano technology that would enable them to change the actual DNA in Adults. Therefore they would not have to be bred. If humans have learned how to do that angels also know it can be done but the technology was not in place before the flood to carry that out, nor did they have the Beast agenda for doing so.
Well I think it is a matter of what we consider to be or not to be evidence, that is the question:) I see it both in scripture and the other sources I have mentioned.
I don’t see anything in scripture to support the purely technological approach you espouse, but I do see enough going on today to cause me to agree in part. Especially with the chimeras, that I think will probably give us minotaurs and many other monstrosities we thought were ancient fantasy.
One other point I missed there. How do you know the technology was not in place before the flood?
Phil,
Bible prophecy mentions nothing about a future corruption of human genetics. The only thing that might imply that, is taking the mark of the Beast. Those that take it cannot be saved. Jesus is the second Adam and came to redeem the Adamic race but if People take the mark of the Beast they can no longer be saved. That could be because they are no longer fully Human. There is nothing in scripture about any future corruption of genetics, so it has to be all wrapped up in the mark of the Beast statement,if there is any future corruption of man’s genetics at all.
There is no mention of high tech before the flood. If there was high tech I doubt if Noah would have made the ark out of wood and I am sure that his wife and kids would have brought a generator, stove, lights, flush toilet, air freshener, sounding device, recreational vehicles and their ipod aboard 😀
So, even though Christ says that the only unforgivable sin is the rejection of Christ, you say
“Thus those who seek to save their mortal lives by taking the Mark will lose their eternal soul.”
Are you saying that Jesus forgot this when he spoke of the rejection of his saving blood, or that he was mistaken?
Steve,
First, Christ never said that the unforgivable sin is the rejection of Christ. That is what some theologians conjecture the unforgivable sin is. More likely the unforgivable sin is seeing the goodness of God displayed and rejecting it as evil. In other words, anyone that believes the Spirit of God does evil has no hope of ever being saved. Only Satanic tares could believe such a thing. Other good people have other views on what the unforgivable sin is.
Second, it is the Angel in Revelation that says those who take the Mark have no hope of salvation (Rev 14 9-11.) Since this angel is a messenger of God, I think he know what he is talking about.
Third, Jesus did not forget it because He never said it.
Don,
I would like to put forward these thoughts on the theory that the Nephilim are angel/hybrids & that there is such a thing as the `seed of angels.`
1. Who are the sons of God?
God tells us in Proverbs ch. 3 Esp. 12 (& Heb. 12: 5 – 8)
` For whom the Lord loves he corrects, Just as a father the son in whom he delights.`
This (whole chapter)shows us that God recognises those who believe & obey Him. Holy angels, obedient men of early days, Israel the Body of Christ & others till the end of time & beyond.
a) Holy Angels – `sons of God,` (Job 1: 6, 2: 1, 38: 7) notice that Satan is not included in that sonship.
b) Early believers – `sons of God,` (Gen. 4: 26)
c) Israel – `son of God,` (Ex. 4: 22 & 23, Jer. 31: 9, 20)
d) The Body of Christ – `sons of God,` (Romans 8: 19, Gal. 4: 6 & 7)
e) Overcomers – `sons of God,` (Rev. 21: 7)
Demons are never called `sons of God.` They sinned & left their abode (after being cast out
Ez. 28: 16 Jude 6) in the third heaven.
2. Can demons procreate? No.
Angels, holy or demonic do not have the physical sexual organs to `join,` (marry). They do not procreate. God gave that ability to mankind & animals who have flesh & blood & they reproduce after their own kind. However in the spirit realm Christ is the ONLY one who is a lifegiving spirit. (1 Cor. 15: 45) Demons can only `rob, kill & destroy,` (John 10: 10) & they do not have life giving blood, (Gen. 9: 5 & 6)
The Nephilim are giants, as Gen. 6: 4 tells us, `mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
God says what He means & means what He says, no hybrids just – men.
Marilyn.
Marilyn,
You are making presumptions that most likely are not true.
All angels were created sons of God. According to the book of Job Satan appears before God with the sons of God in heaven and reports about events on the earth just like the other sons of God. Other scripture tells us that even today Satan still accuses us before the Father in heaven. Satan is the chief of created beings according to scripture so he is also classified as a heavenly being that we call Angels. Scripture also implies that a third of the angels follow Satan.
Angels can take on the form of men. The Bible is quite clear on that, and if they can take on the form of men, there is no reason to think they cannot take on all human attributes. You call angels demons but that most likely is not correct. Demons are disembodied spirits killed in the flood. The only power they have is to possess people and take over their mind. They most likely were the half human offspring of the angels that took woman and corrupted most flesh on the earth and were also known as the Nephilium. That is the most likely reason why the flood came to destroy all air breathing flesh on earth except those gathered to the Ark that had not yet been corrupted.
Demons are not mentioned before the flood and we know from scripture that they reincarnate into humans and animals. There is no place in scripture where God created Demons and no scripture were angels become demons.
The Nephilim were giants, but your take on this does not explain how these huge beings came into being. God does not say that angels cannot have offspring so it does not contradict anything that God said. Jesus did say angels do not marry in Heaven but these fallen angels left Heaven and will never be there again.
All we can do is take what the word of God says at face value. Any plain sense reading of Genesis and Jude indicates that Angels did take woman and produce offspring called the Nephilim. The only other sources we have are extra biblical books like Enoch, Josephus and others but they tell us the same thing. Even ancient mythology implies the same thing.
In every case where sons or Son of God is used it refers to a creation of God. The unbeliever is never designated as such for they are the results of procreation only.
Adam is referred to as a son of God; angelic beings are all created beings and are referred to as sons of God (whether fallen or not); Jesus of Nazareth was the seed of Mary impregnated by the power of the Holy Spirit and therefore The Son of God; and all believers are children or sons of God by reason of being ‘born from above’, a creative act of the Holy Spirit.
I saw where you said you didn’t believe there was high tech prior to the flood.
This may or may not be true. What I do have issue with is the fact that you said if there had been more high tech available prior to the flood that Noah would not have used wood to build the ark. I take exception to this remark because Noah was an obedient follower and God told him what to use, how to use it and all the details. If he had done other than what God had specifically told him it would not have worked. Further, he was on the Ark because he was an obedient follower of God. If he had disobeyed he would have been in rebellion, which is also called the “Jezebel spirit”… so he would not have been allowed on the ark and humanity would have ended.
Anela,
For what it is worth, if you can prove that there was iron or steel from before the flood I might think differently about those before the flood not having access to this man-made technology and craft. After all Genesis does tell us who invented certain man-made crafts after the flood. I do agree that Noah still would have made the boat out of what God told him to. However, if there was something better available perhaps God might not have told Noah to use wood.
Don, You said… Demons are disembodied spirits killed in the flood. The only power they have is to possess people and take over their mind. …
Where do you get this? I’m curious.
My parents have always studied the Bible in depth. When I was a kid (early 6o’s I guess) the UFO thing was beginning to be more prevalent. At that time my mother said she believed that they would figure in the end times some way. She thought about it, studied about it and then said she believed that after the Rapture that the media would explain it away by saying we were abducted by the UFO’s.
That was about 50 years ago.. but it sure sounds right with all this stuff going on in this day and age.
Simon – where do you get all that about angels asking God to let them come to earth?
Anela,
I get it from a correlation of scriptures and ancient extra biblical writings and from other teachers that seem to make some sense out of what was said in Genesis and elsewhere. You might follow the links in the articles for more information. You might also check out this site if you really want to get into a Christian slant on all this demon and UFO stuff. http://www.alienresistance.org/
If you are really only asking about my statement that demons only have power to possess minds. I see nothing in scripture that says that disembodied spirits (demons) have the power to do anything else. At least until the abyss is opened.
Anela,
Don’t expect Simon to be answering you four years after when he made that comment.