Greg Laurie speaks on the Emergent Church, global warming and other issues. Christians need to heed his warnings.
‘The Emergent Church’: A dangerous counterfeit
Jesus plainly said, “I am the Way, the Truth and the life. …” (John 14:6, NKJV) Yet despite this clear biblical teaching, another “emergent” leader says, “I see the world through the images of Christianity, which teaches me that I encounter God in everyone I meet, regardless of what they believe.”
This is New Age mysticism, not New Testament Christianity. The truth is, you will only find Christ living in those who have put their faith in Him. Scripture reminds us, “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name” (John 1:12, NKJV). The doctrines of the “Emergent Church” do not represent the faith that was once and for all delivered to the saints. In fact, it is a dangerous counterfeit.
At the same time, I see other churches becoming distracted from the proclamation of the Gospel and instead focusing their primary energies on issues like “global warming.” I’ll tell you about global warming; it’s when people spend eternity separated from Jesus Christ in hell! Jesus said of hell, “The fire never goes out” (Mark 9:48, NLT).
I know some of you just cringed when you read the word “hell.” A couple generations ago, you would hear churches criticized for preaching “too much hellfire and brimstone.” Honestly, when is the last time you actually heard or read such a message? Many pastors don’t even use the “H-word” anymore.
Well, I do. But not because I take any pleasure in it. Please know this: The last thing God wants for any man or woman, created uniquely in His image, is to spend eternity in a place called hell. Jesus wants you in heaven with Him!
So, while some are wrapped up in the global warming panic, I would like to issue a global warning today. We in the Church of Jesus Christ had better get back to basics, or we will lose what little influence we have left in our culture.
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Chapter Twenty-Eight
Vain Deceit
author Cisco Wheeler
Vain’ means ’empty nothing,’ and the word ‘deceit’ refers to deception. In addition, ‘vain’ speaks of the pride of life. Man’s pride is always in opposition to God and His ways. A half century ago the world knew that America was a Christian nation. This is no longer the message heard among the many nations. Over the last forty years the church has forgotten that Christianity is not a philosophy, it is a Person–the one and only
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world , and not after Christ.
Christ Yahashua Messiah. It is a relationship with Christ that is personal and life changing. The church leaders abandoned their struggle between good and evil and slowly the people in this country began to attribute their blessings not so much to God, but to men: for many, God was put in the back seat of the church and man elevated himself to be his own god. Drowning themselves in materialism, self-centeredness and vain deceit the church has departed from God’ truth. Human wisdom and philosophy always leads one away from Christ. The church began to disguise sin with new terminology. What God called drunkenness, today the church calls alcoholism; God said it was a sin, but today the church calls it is a disease. What God called sodomy; the church calls being gay. God calls it a perversion, and abomination, but the church calls it an altered lifestyle. What God called immorality; the church is calling it a new morality. God calls lying, cheating, stealing, a sin but in todays’ church they are called abnormal social behavior.
Our churches are, for the most part, as heretical as our government. Can the sick heal the sick, or the blind lead the blind? Through moral decay one cannot separate the…
Vain’ means ’empty nothing,’ and the word ‘deceit’ refers to deception. In addition, ‘vain’ speaks of the pride of life. Man’s pride is always in opposition to God and His ways. A half century ago the world knew that America was a Christian nation. This is no longer the message heard among the many nations. Over the last forty years the church has forgotten that Christianity is not a philosophy, it is a Person–the one and only
Colossians 2:8
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world , and not after Christ.
Christ Yahashua Messiah. It is a relationship with Christ that is personal and life changing. The church leaders abandoned their struggle between good and evil and slowly the people in this country began to attribute their blessings not so much to God, but to men: for many, God was put in the back seat of the church and man elevated himself to be his own god. Drowning themselves in materialism, self-centeredness and vain deceit the church has departed from God’ truth. Human wisdom and philosophy always leads one away from Christ. The church began to disguise sin with new terminology. What God called drunkenness, today the church calls alcoholism; God said it was a sin, but today the church calls it is a disease. What God called sodomy; the church calls being gay. God calls it a perversion, and abomination, but the church calls it an altered lifestyle. What God called immorality; the church is calling it a new morality. God calls lying, cheating, stealing, a sin but in todays’ church they are called abnormal social behavior.
Our churches are, for the most part, as heretical as our government. Can the sick heal the sick, or the blind lead the blind? Through moral decay one cannot separate the church from the world for the church is filled with witchcraft, child abuse, divorce, drunkenness, aids, teenage suicide, drugs, illegitimacy, abortion,
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Cisco Wheeler says:
There are two absolute truths that stood out in the preaching that brought about the protestant Reformation. The American Bible Commentator was given to the world and Ralph Woodrow, affirmed to the world, “the just shall live by faith not by the works of Romanism, and the Papacy is the Antichrist of Scripture.” The whole reformation was based on the pure unadulterated truth that was written in the word of God and against the Antichrist. The entire Reformation rested upon this two fold testimony. It has been stated that the Reformation first gave witness to Jesus Christ as Lord, and then, in the blazing light of Christ, it discovered the Antichrist.
All over Europe the Pope was called the Antichrist. The great Martin Luther said: “Oh Christ, my Lord, look down upon us the day of judgment, and destroy the brood of Satan at Rome. There sets the Man, of whom the Apostle Paul wrote that he would oppose and exalt himself above all that is called God-the Man of Sin, of Perdition. What is the Temple of God? Is it stones and wood? Did not Paul say, the Temple of God is holy, which Temple ye are? To set-what is it but to reign, to teach and to judge? Who from the beginning of the church has dared to call himself master of the whole church but the Pope alone? None of the saints, none of the heretics, ever uttered so horrible a word of pride”.
Martin Luther, having an ardent mind, and unimpeachable morals, and of a strong prejudices against the Church of Rome, his last words before he died have been placed on record, ” o my Father, God of our Lord Jesus Christ , the Father of all consolation, I thank thee for having revealed to me Thy well beloved Son, in whom I believe, whom I have preached and acknowledged, loved and celebrated, of whom the Pope and the impious persecute. I commend to Thee my soul. Jesus Christ my Lord, I am quitting this earthly body, I am leaving this life, but I know that I shall abide eternally with Thee.”
And so Luther was gathered to his father and rests in the unchanging peace of God.
Frank O’Collins, has authored a quasi-legal document called The Almanic of Evil, pinning the Vatican hierarchy, including the Jesuit Order, with a litany of serious crimes violating international treaties and international law. The charges include but are not limited to prostitution, trafficking of prohibited narcotics, money laudering, murder, political assassinations, fraud, pedophile rings, institional incest, arms trade, as well as crimes against humanity including but not restricted to genocide, sadistic torture,germ warfare, ritual and satanic murder and cannibalism, child slavery, general slavery and wholesale destruction and suppression of human history, knowledge and wisdom.
The church has gone to sleep and in their blindness they cannot see their shepherds have compromised the flocks just like the heads of state and political leaders have sold out this nation. In spiritual blindness they sleep and they cannot see they too have compromised with the Beast of Revelation and the Vatican-led New World Order.
The Ministers within TBN and around the world need to come out of Bbabylon.
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Posted On: Monday, Feb. 1 2010 @ 1:29AM
Don,
I received a phone call concerning this Greg Laurie..today asking me if he is OK bible teacher. In my research on this guy not sure if he is a true bible teacher or not. I am asking you Don is he OK or not. I have some red flags but not sure. I have never listened to the guy. This is not a trick question. God speed Teresa
Hi Teresa,
Sorry for the delay I almost forgot about this comment.
I used to like Greg Laurie he used to have a strong biblical message at his Harvest Crusades. He seems to be getting Rick Warren disease lately. I heard him on the Radio several times quoting from “The Message”. That turned me off so I do not listen to him anymore and only know what I read. After that I read this. The part about Laurie is at the bottom of this article there is a link to the full story.
https://www.thepropheticyears.com/wordpress/sbc-and-evangelicals-seekers-shift-toward-mystical-emergent-church.html
At this point I think Laurie is a mixed bag. He seems too much into compromise with the Catholics and heretics for me.
Anyone want to add anything?
Sorry, I see the link to the article about that conference is dead but the quote that was in it remains.
Teresa and Don,
I have not listened to Greg Laurie on the radio or watched the Harvest Crusades for quite some time so I don’t know about that.
Greg Laurie typically does not go ‘Through The Bible’ in order, however, I do read his messages daily and they are direct quotes from the Bible with encouragement to live as the Bible directs…and as far as I can tell, they are in context.
Since being a part of your blog here (Don), I feel I’m more astute to possible apostasy and I don’t see it in Greg Laurie’s daily messages.
Thanks David and Don
I must do some further checking..,,Having come out of the WOF/NAR heretical teaching one can never be to careful.. Don, I do so appreciate and respect your insight on the matter thanks, T.
Unfortunately, Greg has fallen in with the Vatican’s New Evangelization Movement. It was started by Pope John Paul II. It purports “Christ” but it’s the Eucharistic Catholic Christ, not the biblical Christ. The NEM is designed to seduce people back to the Church or since the Catholic Church is visually speaking very seductive and the best theatre in town, to draw them into the from the pit of Hell Catholic Church.’
That appears to be the case, and the big name evangelicals that are now getting sucked into this move back to the Roman Harlot with its Babylonian mystery religion heresy is shocking.
Don, can you give me your thoughts on Pastor James Macdonald of Walk-in-the-Word radio ministries. He is out of Chicago. Reason I’m asking is because I follow Pastor James’ program and order his sermon’s & studies to watch at home with the family – my way of supporting his ministry. The reason I ask for your thoughts on Pastor James is because He is friends with Pastor Laurie. During his recent treatments for cancer in California, Pastor James was guest speaker at Laurie’s church for a few weeks running. So what I’m asking is… do you know if Pastor Macdonald is on the same road as Laurie. From what I hear on radio and through video studies, I don’t get that he is.. but maybe I missed something somewhere. Any Information would be greatly appreciated. Even by fellow posters.
Just to be clear “I don’t get that he is..” refers to the emerging apostate church.
Al,
I really do not know anything about James Macdonald.
Just for the record Greg Laurie in the past has been a good biblical teacher. It just seems that lately he has caught the get them all saved by doing whatever works to get them to say “Jesus is Lord” syndrome. Even if these people actually believe, where is the Christian discipleship going to come from to make them grow in Christ? It is not going to come from the false teaching of the wolf den at Rome
I think one of the difficulties in discernment is that there are some saved Catholics and there are also some Catholics that just know what words to say to Evangelicals to make them think they believe salvation is by faith alone. However, like Mormons they put a different meaning on what salvation by faith is, they add works to salvation, and these “saved” Catholics also have no problem continuing to embrace the obvious heresies in the Roman Church. As a former Catholic myself that never found salvation through 18 year of indoctrination by that Church I find that rather difficult to accept.
Worse than that, having unity on a name of God without attaching biblical salvation doctrine to the name is like thinking that a shape-shifter becomes Christ because he bears some outward resemblance to Christ. There is a substitution for Christ but the doctrine is antichrist.
Al,
After reading their statement of beliefs I would not have any problem attending the fellowship that Macdonald leads. They seem to have the same beliefs as Calvary Chapels. By the way, I also have no problem with the church that Laurie leads. The issue for Laurie with me is Catholic influence where he appears outside of his church and his use of “The Message” paraphrase of the Bible to make some of his points.
http://www.harvestbiblechapel.org/10424/content/content_id/162915/Doctrine
Thanks Don for your input. I do really enjoy Pastor Macdonald. I hope he always stays true to scripture… with zero compromise.
Me too…I also believe their will be saved souls who know identify themselves as Catholics, Baptists, etc, etc …along with those of us who don’t belong to any denomination. When someone asks me what denomination I belong to, I just say none; I’m a plain old Christian. I like the Lord whole and un-denominated!
When I explain to them that bride of Christ is a spiritual, Church…and that The Lord won’t be coming for just Catholics or the Baptists… but for those who have repented and truly accepted Christ in their hearts… that only those who are born again in the spirit and have the holy spirit indwelling within are His. They always get it. No argument nothing like that at all. It’s a like a light goes off in their head Thanks again Don.
Hi Al,
I like the way my former Baptist pastor answered the question from his own young child that asked him if they were Baptists. He told the child that they were Christians that attended a Baptist church.
That works…lol …I guess..lol
Hopefully that child will not grow up to become a “Christian” that attends saddleback ranch, or the United Church, or Jeremiah wrights congregation … or dare I say it, Mitt & Becks Church…lol If so, he/she could soon be dreaming of their own planet…lol
Al,
I don’t think so and I am failing to see the point or the humor.
I attempted to make it less tense with the “lol’s” in case you really approved of what you wrote. Wich you did.(I failed at that) Probably because I really don’t see the humour either if the examples I pointed out are true… But they ARE in fact true. As you know yourself… many folks believe they are “spirit filled “ Christians that simply attend the Churches that I pointed out. I guess what I am saying is that what your former Pastor said is dangerous. My retort to people posed no such ambiguity. He meant well but he lacked counsel in this matter. With respect. Al
Also to add…
If you look at my comment above. I clearly said (with the exception of the spelling mistake form Know to now) the following…”I also believe their will be saved souls who now identify themselves as Catholics, Baptists, etc, etc”
These folks attend a denominational church for the sake of convocation. Or because it is where their parents took them as children. Or where they first came to follow the Lord. But in fact they don’t follow most of the Church traditions or denominational doctrines. They read their Bible like you & me and accept Gods word at face value by faith. They just attend these churches for NOW for various reasons apart from the doctrine taught there.
Again withrespect. Al
Al,
The kid asked his father because the kid was obviously told by someone in a overwhelming Catholic area that he was a Baptist. I am failing to see what is dangerous about telling someone that they are a Christian that attends a Baptist Church? The point really was that he was telling his kid that they should identify themselves as Christians first.
You want to call yourself a non denominational Christian but some Christians attend denominations because they pretty much agree with the doctrine of the denomination. For example Pastor Macdonald holds the doctrine of Calvary Chapel and Harvest fellowships that obviously came out of Calvary Chapel if they are not part of it. By the way Greg Laurie was a Calvary Chapel pastor and maybe still is. You might say Calvary Chapel is not a denomination but most Christians would disagree.
Well I don’t completely understand why you are failing to see anything of what I am saying. However I will try to better elaborate. You see, It may have been alright to say in private such a statement from a Father to a Child; a Father who I can safely assume attended (or was the Pastor) at a SOLID Bible teaching Baptist Church. But I am speaking in general, in that someone who is not attending a solid Church with a solid Teacher… that such a comment can lose its contextual meaning (from your original anecdote) As it was Okay to use in your particular case (a Baptist Church with a Solid Teacher) it would not be accurate for use in the examples I provided above. All I am saying is that someone who is LOST in religion at “any” of these lost churches that teach nonsense, can simply end the discussion and defend themselves with that line against an argument that you may present that would enlighten the person that HIS Church is way off base. He can just use that line and insert his church in place of the church you mentioned. “were Christians that attend _______ church” Upon which who knows where the discussion will go. In contrast When someone asks me what denomination I belong to, I just say “none; I’m a plain old Christian. I like the Lord whole and un-denominated!” what can they say to that but hopefully get into specific doctrine. Now I have a chance of allowing God’s true word with the help of the Holy Spirit to open there eyes.
In regards to the Calvary Chapel/Harvest Bible/ Pastor Macdonald being a denomination of sort. I disagree – in view of the fundamental sense of the word “denomination”. But I am not going to debate that because I don’t belong to their church. I am not a member and don’t intend to be. I just think Pastor James is a great expositor and his study guides are very useful. As is much of Laurie’s material. As are many of the Pastors you have listed on your site. Yet I know you don’t attend all those “churches” I suppose that If I watch PM material you could loosely state that I “attend” his Church. But that wouldn’t be accurate… and I think you know that.
Hey not a big deal Don. Sometimes I can over analyze things.
I love what you do. Sorry if I upset you.
Al,
I think you obviously have a problem with those identifying with Christian denominations but there is a reason why they exist (differences in Christian doctrine and practice).
The truth is that those that call themselves non denominational Christians have just as much doctrinal differences between each other as those within Protestant denominations, even if they all use the Bible as their authority. Humans with limited intelligence and understanding interpret and correlate biblical passages differently even if they have no denomination.
Calvary Chapel pastors have to get a Calvary Chapel license. To use that name and to get that license, they have to agree with the Calvary Chapel doctrine. So they are a denomination, and those going to Calvary Chapels do identify with each other like they are a denomination. In addition, Calvary Chapels had no problem with being identified as the fastest growing denomination and they also have no problem putting their name in phone books as a denomination. But, you want to use some technical definition of a denomination instead of how people use the word.
You may call what you are doing here over analyzing things. I call it nit picking. There simply is nothing wrong with a pastor telling their kid that they are Christians that attend a Baptist church.
I never said that There is anything wrong with a pastor telling their kid that they are Christians that attend a Baptist church. So long as we are referring to THIS specific case. I am saying that outside of this context (this specific case) it CAN get tricky if applied generally. I can’t see how you fail to notice the potential problems in that.
Suppose the Kid that was first hassling the Baptist Kid went home another day and said to their Dad. “hey this Baptist called me a Roman Catholic… aren’t we Christians Dad?” It is absolutely certain that his dad would say something similar to his child as the pastor said to his. So basically it all defaults back to the “denomination” squabble. My way avoids all that. My way being that I don’t belong to ANY denomination. And just to be clear Harvest Bible Chapels & Calvary are not affiliated. As far as I Know They are 2 separate Churches . And again I point out that I do not belong to any of them… I am not a member. In a few months or a year. I may move on to another Solid Bible Pastor with edifying resources for me to watch and read. I will always refer back to Pastor James (so long as he stays true) or any Pastor of Truth…but I am not a follower of THEM. I follow ONLY Jesus, so long as HE keeps holding my hand through this life, else I am a complete failure at being a Born Again Christian. And yes it’s true that non-denominational Christians can have completely conflicting interpretations on scripture. But one thing MUST never change and that is that they discuss the issues with LOVE for one another. In the end the Holy Spirit will resolve and unite the two. Or instruct the one who is true to God’s word to move along – but always in peace.
You brother in Christ
Al
Al,
Your way of not belonging to any denomination may avoid some things but it also commits to nothing besides your own views. It would be arrogant to set yourself as the ultimate authority “on who stays true” and to imply that you only follow Jesus (and suggest that THEM in denominations do not). Even you admit you need teaching. And by the way, the person telling you that would be telling you that in Christian love.
Look, God put teachers in the Church for a reason but teachers have differences in biblical interpretation and that makes for denominations. I think that you might considering submitting and committing yourself to a local membership in the body of Christ in the New Year if you have not. Especially since Christians are going to need each others gifts as things get very ugly in this nation.
Don, I m a little disappointed that you would make such a leap to say that I am suggesting that I would set myself “as the ultimate authority on who stays true” It is some what hypocritical of you to even suggest that, when in fact this very blog that You have here, time and again points out a plethora of apostate Churches and their Leaders . In doing so, you yourself have set yourself up as an authority. I cannot see how you can refute this point of fact.
That I only follow Jesus is not implied… it is certain. Do YOU not ONLY follow JESUS?
Sola Scriptura, with the council of the Holy Spirit. It is clear in my comments that I NEVER said or IMPLIED that others don’t follow Jesus. Yet in the end only they and GOD know that for certain. All I can do is discern them by their fruits. Sure they can talk the talk… it’s the consistency in the walk that shows the proof. Its the conformity to Jesus that shows the proof. Humility is a good start down that road.
BTW: if I could find a solid, uncompromised by culture or influenced by politics assembly… that walked the talk I would run to such an assembly.
Al,
I think by over 35 year of Bible study and sitting under many teachers that have many different denominational viewpoints and non denominational views as well. And after 12 year of doing this website I think I earned some biblical discernment along the way. Yet, I do not consider myself the judge of all theology. I can discern most apostasy and heresy but there are many theologies that I would not take a dogmatic position on. Yet in my opinion, your statement seems to make yourself the the only authority on correct interpretation of the Bible.
I follow Jesus by also learning from other teachers within many denominations that Jesus put in His body to lead Christians to maturity. To just say you follow Jesus really says nothing if you cannot properly discern His instructions. Mormons follow Jesus but it is not the Jesus of Christianity. Without learning correct doctrine believers are not going to know enough about Jesus and his instructions for His New Covenant Church to build much of value on the house of God.
You cannot discern the correct doctrine of a teacher by their outward Christian walk. People are pretty good at putting on the airs and some good teachers are rather straight forward and rough on the edges. They are teachers of doctrine not pastors. You have not walked in their shoes and have no idea what they are going through or where they are in their Christian walk or whither of not they are still healthy both mentally and physically.
The only statement that you will “know them by their fruits” in correct context was Jesus telling Jews how to identify false prophets. It was not about identifying Christians.
There are no perfect assemblies but their are some pretty good ones in most locations. If we could find the perfect assembly we would not fit in. I have literally been in dozens of locations and I can tell you that unless your on the moon there are decent Christian fellowships within a hour of just about anywhere in this country. Don’t judge only by what you see on Sunday there almost always is an inner group that do their best to serve Jesus with the gifts that they were given. However, you not going to find them if you attend nowhere.
Don, this is my last counter to you for this dialogue.
All I can say is that my comments speak for themselves. You have presumed and assumed and exaggerated my comments. I will point out a blatantly obvious example.
This is what I said…“BTW: if I could find a solid, uncompromised by culture or influenced by politics assembly……… that walked the talk I would run to such an assembly.”
This is your reply to that…….. “There are no perfect assemblies but their are some pretty good ones in most locations. If we could find the perfect assembly we would not fit in. I have literally been in dozens of locations and I can tell you that unless your on the moon there are decent Christian fellowships within a hour of just about anywhere in this country. Don’t judge only by what you see on Sunday there almost always is an inner group that do their best to serve Jesus with the gifts that they were given. However, you not going to find them if you attend nowhere.”
I simply ask you where did I say that I sought a PERFECT assembly?
And how can you possibly know that within an hour of anywhere America there is a good assembly? This is a prime example of what you have kept doing throughout this dialogue.
Don, I say with wholehearted sincerity that I did not come on your site to attack you nor criticize YOU. But obviously you take great issue even with the most trivial of divergences. It appears to me that you have “I have to win the debate” syndrome; to the point that you continually presuppose and even insert new words in place of the ones that I spoke to.
I love you to much brother to continue down this dead end road with you.
Have a joyous Christmas with your loved one’s!
I look forward to your future articles.
Al
Al,
I agree that the comments speak for themselves and I think your comments have been off base here and that is the real reason why I have been responding. I could care less about debate on this issue. There is nothing to debate. It is black and white.
You made a comments to criticize a perfectly fine statement made by my former pastor and my agreement with what he said. He told his kid that they should consider themselves Christians that attend a Baptist church and you insult him and me by laughing out loud a number of times and inferring that such a statement by my friend might lead his kid to join heretical churches and cults. That was quite bazaar!
Then you go on with some rant about denominations and expect me to just let it slide like there is something inferior in Christians that attend and identify with denominations as if these Christians are less scriptural than those like you that join no denomination!
You make a “perfect” assembly the main point of my last statement but obviously that was not the real point in my last comment at all. I was trying to convey to you that you might consider making a commitment to a local church because both you and the local church would be better off for it. It is you that implied that there was no churches in your area that met your standards. So what! That is true in most areas. If you want a church with the attributes that you described you and others are going to have to work to help make it happen and you are going to have to start by attending a place where Christians meet in your local area. That just most offend happens to be those not up to your standard local churches.
I think more than enough was said. Obviously you just do not get what I am trying to communicate to you anyway.
Thanks for the joyous Christmas wishes. I wish you a joyous Christmas as well.
Greg Laurie works with a host of false teachers, like Rick Warren, Mark Driscoll, and others. He worked with a catholic priest once. He’s false.