It is not hard to figure out why Americans are nominating and electing people like Obama and Romney for President. The evidence indicates that the vast majority of Americans do not have a biblical Christian worldview, so it just stands to reason that Americans would also have little desire to vote a person into the presidential office that has a true biblical worldview.
Some think America is a Christian nation but they are short on the facts. True Christianity is not a culture, it is people who have been born spiritually into the body of Christ. These are nowhere near a majority in America. Christians ought to have biblical worldviews but the evidence shows that even those that claim to be born again Christians mostly do not.
Here are some rough demographics for those that want to understand why Americans will not elect a Christian with a biblical worldview into the office of President:
About 75 percent of Americans now identify themselves as Christians but more than one-third of this 75 percent believes that their works determine their salvation (e.g. Catholicism and some legalistic or liberal Protestant cults). This is in direct opposition to what the Bible teaches. So the few Christians in this group that have a biblical worldview find it apart from the teaching of their denomination or church.
Catholics generally do not have a biblical Christian worldview because few of them know, believe or practice the absolute truths taught in the Bible. Most Catholics do not even have a Catholic worldview. As a former Catholic, with an extended Catholic family, I think I know what I am talking about. In support, the Barna Group survey used six factors to determine a biblical worldview (see quote below). The answers they received from Catholics indicated that only 2 percent held a biblical worldview. Therefore, just counting the non Christians and the Catholics, already one-half of all Americans have a worldview that conflicts with the Bible.
That leaves us then with the 50 percent of Americans that identify with Protestantism. Most of the old mainline liberal churches now confuse humanism with Christianity and many do not believe the Bible is anything more than a guide. Many think Christianity is only one way to God. Absolute biblical truth in liberalism is an oxymoron.
Most in these old traditional denominations are just cultural Christians, they have never been born from above into the spiritual body of Christ. They often like to believe that salvation comes through infant baptism, church sacraments, and living a good life. These generally do not have a Christian worldview because they generally do not believe or know the scriptures. The percentage here with Christian worldviews are about the same as Catholics. They are only a couple of percent with a biblical worldview. Most have a humanist worldview, not a Christian worldview.
The remaining 25 percent of Christians in America call themselves Evangelical Christians but Evangelical Christians have split on absolute truths found in the Bible. These New Evangelicals usually have a gospel of relativism, pluralism, universalism, mysticism or social justice. Most New Evangelicals do not have biblical worldviews. In addition, those evangelicals in Word of Faith and ilk, with its Gnosticism and Dominion Theology certainly have a distorted Christian worldview.
That only leaves about 10 to 15 percent of Americans, and even all of these do not have biblical worldviews by any stretch of the imagination. Even Bible believing churches have those members that do not know or do not agree with what the Bible teaches.
Therefore, those that believe that the Bible is the unalterable absolute word of God and those that believe they should try to live by the truths therein are only a small minority of the America’s population. I would say they are only about 10 percent of the adults in America. A tithe of all Americans have a biblical worldview.
To verify that figure. I decided to look at the 2009 Barna Group survey about biblical worldviews. The six points they used to determine if Americans had biblical worldviews are listed below.
For the purposes of the survey, a “biblical worldview” was defined as believing that absolute moral truth exists; the Bible is totally accurate in all of the principles it teaches; Satan is considered to be a real being or force, not merely symbolic; a person cannot earn their way into Heaven by trying to be good or do good works; Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; and God is the all-knowing, all-powerful creator of the world who still rules the universe today. In the research, anyone who held all of those beliefs was said to have a biblical worldview.
The survey indicates that based on just these six basic biblical absolutes, only 9 percent of American Christians had a biblical worldview and only 19 percent of those identifying themselves as born again Christians had a biblical worldview.
The proof is in the pudding. If Americans do not even know or believe what the Bible teaches, why would they then vote for people who have a biblical worldview for President? Now you know why people like Palin and Bachmann will not get elected to the office of President in this country.
I found it interesting in this survey that almost all Christians claimed they knew what the Bible teaches but only ten percent could actually demonstrate that claim by their lifestyle positions or worldviews. This indicates that most Christians are self-deluded about what they think they know about the scriptures. Some think they know the scriptures because they have church magazine studies about the Bible a half hour a week in what is called a Bible believing church.
I know from my own experience in many different evangelical churches that the vast majority that attend churches in America have never read through the Bible even once. Biblically illiterate evangelicals are easily influenced by postmodern worldviews.
Having Christian worldviews does not necessarily determine that one is a Christian, but if Christians do not learn biblical worldviews after a certain period of time, they might examine themselves to see what their claimed Christian faith is based on? Maybe they just believe in a religion that conforms to the thoughts of their own mind with their own designer Jesus and their own designer beliefs? That Jesus would just be their very own counterfeit idol.
Americans vote for people like Obama and Romney because they believe these people have similar worldviews as themselves. However, when just ten percent of Americans have Christian worldviews, it is very unlikely that a person with real biblical worldviews would be elected President of these United States of America.
In addition to the points in the survey, here are a dozen contemporary beliefs that would indicate that you do not have a biblical worldview:
- Mormons are Christians
- Obama takes biblical positions
- Evolution is true – man evolved and is evolving
- Jesus (Yeshua) is not physically returning to rule on earth
- Jesus is not God
- God is finished with the nation of Israel
- Praying to Mary influences Jesus or Father God
- Having an abortion should be a mother’s choice
- Homosexual practice or marriage can be within God’s will
- Religions without Jesus as the Messiah can lead people to God
- Reincarnation
- The Bible teaches socialism
Hello Don,
I think this post is right on. The term “christian” is being thrown around very loosely. It has become reduced to a title only, with no real meaning to many. If we were really seeking a Christian candidate, we would have much different choices than what we have now.
Rod in Oregon
Greetings Don~Another spot on article from you. I am always amazed at the percentage of people who claim to be Christians in the surveys. It is self evident from the culture we live in that the majority of Americans do not have a Biblical worldview. I was in a discussion with a person in ministry leadership who insisted Romney is a Christian, as well as many other Mormons & many Catholics. I tried to argue my point from the Bible & the difference in beliefs, but to no avail. The comment was made there will be many surprises in Heaven. I was quite stunned & walked away feeling somewhat discouraged. Few Christians even care to discuss these issues. It just isn’t important to most folks. Thank you for your timely & accurate articles. They are appreciated!
Re: Kiki… “there will be many surprises in Heaven…” There will be a LOT more “surprises” at the Great White Thrown Judgment – sort of sums up the blog and that’s just America.
Love the bullet list at the close of the blog – classic!
I think some folks out there can add to the list. I couldn’t come up with any off the cuff, but I will say one thing: “it’s one thing to sin, it’s another to promote sin as public policy”; Sin is not a “right”;
Hi Kiki,
That surprise about who we will find in heaven, is a trite cliche used by shallow biblically illiterate Christians. They cannot argue why such a person will be saved from the scriptures so they resort to this emotion based fallback. The implication usually is that good religious people will certainly be worthy of Heaven. It really is a belief in pluralism and universalism. Those Christians that believe this nonsense are the ones that will be surprised. If you disagree with them than you are being judgmental even through you can make the case from scripture.
Don,
I do like this article.
I think it’s a good wake up call for all of us to recognize what is and isn’t true Christianity.
I don’t know if we will be paying attention to who is and isn’t in Heaven as it will be obviously filled with the glory of The Lord.
If anything, I’d think we might be surprised who is NOT in heaven…people we thought on the outside were followers of Jesus but really weren’t.
i agree david, good point
Sounds like there may be only a remnent of believers in these last days. It can be understood that the unsaved may challenge the absolute moral truth such as “The Lord Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth” but today we see such a truth being watered down by christians saying statements such as -He could have sinned but he chose not to sin etc. These kind of statements take away from the absolute sinnlessness, perfection and holiness of our saviour. In Him was no sin. He was not brought in by creation, he was not brought in by generation – having the fallen nature of all men since Adam, but he came in by incarnation – God manifest in flesh. If our Lord was in anyway able to sin at all he could never be the sin bearer or the Lamb that taketh away the sin of the world. As you have suggested Don the root of such statements and their thinking stems from the belief that if they themselves try not to sin and lead a religious life they are also worthy of Heaven
Re: Kiki comment.
I have had a very similar experiences when discussing Romney and Beck with folks that I thought were well grounded Christians.
I wonder if it is rationalization for voting for a Mormon.
Bob,
The fact of the matter is that you can tell what you think are Bible believing Christians specific reasons why the Mormon religion is not Christian, and they still do not get it. It makes me wonder if they even know how one becomes a Christian or what a Christian is? Then there are those that confuse Americanism with Christianity and many of them are in Christian leadership.
Hello Don and others,
Pure and simple… with all the phony theological ideas that have nothing to do with Jesus, it is no wonder many do not know what a real Christian is. There sure alot of phonies out there muddying the water and confusing people.
Rod
Excellent article. For the readers out there, ask your professing Christian friends to show you from the scriptures what it takes to be saved (I Cor 15:1-4). Almost no one will know. I now think that when the rapture occurs, hardly anyone will notice, and yes, “church” will continue to meet as scheduled.
I’m so blessed to be a member of a church that believes the bible is the infallible word of God from cover to cover! A lot of people will say they are Christians without knowing the meaning of being a Christian. I’m so glad that Christ was brought into this world to be my redeeming savior! Glory to God in the highest!
Ken in Georgia,
Yep, I’ve wondered about that also.
Will they even notice ?…good question.
And, if they did notice, I wonder if/how they would rationalize that…and if they’d understand what was about to happen over the next 7 years.
Bravo Don!
Keep your lamps full and your wicks trimmed… the time is close at hand.
…and let us always be merciful and loving even to these who are not called.
Yet we must always rebuke and reproof them with Gods word… as we are God’s witnesses to many of them.
Ken in Georgia:
“…’church’ will continue to meet as scheduled”, yes BUT without the dissenting voices of those crazy ‘born again’ trouble makers. Of course these will be proven such by the mass disappearance of the other misfits and radicals that permeated society and even the prison systems, and those that have ‘deserted’ the church over the years.
It is scenario that allows the imagination great scope.
After the rapture exodus scenario…
I think we have to remember also that there is going to be 3.5 months of a time that looks really good to the world, I think it might be possible at that time that there will be an attitude by the world that says, ‘look how much better off we are without those troublesome Christians’.
I think we are getting off topic so that will be the end of posts talking about the Rapture here.
Ouch! My worldview was Biblical until you mentioned evolution. Guess I’m not in the 9%. 😉
Hi Don,
As per your article about the shift that has occurred. It seems to me that the shift from Biblical Christianity began in the 60’s, picked up pace in the 70’s and 80’s, and completely sold out in the 90’s. I remember hearing sermons about “sin”, and “hell”, and what happens of people do not accept the Lord in the early 80’s. But by about the late 80’s, it stopped. The cultural shift began with the likes of Oprah, some of these philosophies that were simply old pagan falsehoods being recycled, and such. What do you and the others on here think?
Rod in Oregon
Hi Rod,
I think the worldviews of most “Christians” in America can no longer be distinguished from the views of the world. The apostasy in America certainly has been accelerating every decade since the 60’s. We were told this would happen in the last days but what is shocking is how fast it has been accelerating. We went from Christians in America primarily being identified with the Church of Philadelphia in the 60’s to being identified with the Church of Laodicea by the 90’s. In the last 20 years most of “Christiandumb” is somewhere between Laodicea and the Harlot of Revelation 17. By next decade, I suppose what is left on earth of institutional Christianity will be the Harlot of Revelation 17.
Al,
** Note from Don, Sorry I posted this before I read it so now I am editing it. (Don)
Al Said,
Rod I think it began way before the 1960’s… in the 1700’s maybe …with the heretical doctrines of Jacobus Arminius and others in the belief that freewill in fallen man can lead to “good” things in THIS world.
etc etc etc………………………..
the rest was edited out……………….
Al,
You always want to go down reformed rabbit trails that are just going to get this post off topic. Not everyone believes in Reformed Theology and I can think of many reasons why Christians might want to reject some of it.
Read my new comment policy. Rabbit trails and those making theological statements that will create rabbit trails would usually be a diversion from the subject at hand. They generally are not going to get posted.
I think we are down to- who would make a good- congressman, senator, president..based on their degree of morality, strength of character- and just let the rest go. we cannot vote for anyone with certainty that they are a Christian..i think civil life and christian life and service are now completely split.maybe having our bandages removed and seeing this, is what God is asking for.We are still far safer than those Christians in Rome, for instance, or in Muslim countries today. but our safety may not last long.
absolute truths are anathema today.
Bless you Don for being willing to talk about this. I feel alone in the woods when I tell people I cannot support gay marriage, when I refused to let a young family member live here while drinking/staying with an older man whenever she wished, when i talk to people who are church going but don;t seem to think Jesus was relevant, or that God was just mean to let Satan tempt us…the idea of sacrifice is a totally foreign concept these days….it seems the whirlwind is upon us. and yet, as always, i do know- where sin aboundeth grace much more aboundeth. I take comfort in that-
Faith
Hi Don,
You sum the situation up nicely. So what is a Christian with a Biblical world view to do?
Our choices are a Marxist or a Cultist. Neither one is a Constitutionalist, both have
a record of supporting the murder of the unborn. Romney has stated there are portions of Obama care he likes, etc., etc. I have always prayerfully voted, buying into the rhetoric that I must choose the “better of the two” or the “lesser of two evils”. I feel like choosing either one of these men would be a violation of my conscience. It’s a hard thing. Do Christians rationalize doing wrong if it’s “less wrong”? It seems like a choice between living Biblically or participating in the political process.
I think the question Anna poses is the same one many true followers of Jesus are asking…
Rod in Oregon
Hi Anna,
I know I won’t be voting for either. I think it became irrelevant when Republicans and Christians voted Mitt Romney in as the contender. I think Americans are about to the reap the consequence of their own ways and Obama and Romney are just reflections of the moral bankruptcy of this nation. It probably will not matter one wit who will be the figure head president in the next term. Once the world war, riots and martial law starts, more powerful people than the president will be running the show. Yes, I think the fate of this nation will be decided before 2016 and what is left of these United States by then will be nothing like what we have today.
What Christians need to realize is that no country is our home. We should just try to live here or wherever God puts us and do the commission that the Lord gave us the best that we can and be salt and light to others. Christians in non Western nations are spiritually much healthier because of persecution. They do not control their governments. Perhaps we are praying against God’s will when we try to stay God’s judgment on this nation. It is in nobody’s best interest to just see America continue on this downward spiral. If the United States is to survive as a great nation in this world it must change its ways and that does not mean a new economic policy. This country has already sown the seeds for its financial destruction. There is no fix. If America is to survive as a light to the world it can only come through a moral makeover.
Hello Don,
Just read your reply to Anna… Very well put. I couldnt agree more.
Rod
Might add one to the list; reading about a few demoninations recently:
1. Denial of the humanity of Jesus
2. Denial of His Deity
3. And that He was the Holy Spirit
On my commute home from work I saw a vehicle with an Obama bumper sticker and a “fish” ornament – talk about Laodicea. I can imagine me trying to converse/debate with such a “bigot” (not just individual, but, by definition, bigot) and getting no where.
The way I look at it, those “bigots” may finally “see the light”, but more towards the “wine pressing” vice the first “rapture” (in other words, they will most definitely be “left behind”). And yet, if I were to engage those folk (being nice), I would get no where. So, unless there are other potential impressionable people who’s minds might be “open”, I’m not even going to waste my time or breath. I figure, they’ll just have to go through the post-rapture tribulation end times and maybe they might acknowledge they were “pretending and lying to themselves and others” all along. It’s the mark of the beast — being in America, they probably won’t make it that far. I doubt they are even “preparing” for coming judgments.
Maybe this was slightly off topic, but not entirely. It really gets to the Laodicean state of the voting public – those “bigots” are especially going to ignore the [obvious] warning signs (after all, they’re contributing to the coming judgments).
However many grains of salt…
America is in a very bad place, indeed. But so is the visible Christian church. Maybe the Lord is giving us what we deserve as a nation. I was telling my church friends several months ago that I would not vote for either of the two main presidential candidates and they were astonished at my rationale. Voting for a republican, they reason, would slow the decline of the nation and maybe give America a chance to come back. I really don’t believe that would be the case. We are moving towards the end of days and our beloved country must decline. I will vote, however, because it is my right as an American and many people have given their lives to procure that privilege for me. Like you said Don, this once great country is not my home and being a patriotic American is not the same as being a Christian. It is scary to see the constant lying, corruption and cover-ups going on. I pray that I can honor Christ in the event of real, personal and dangerous persecution. If we suffer for the name of Christ we are blessed. God help the remnant to seek His face and be filled with His Spirit. Maranatha
Don, your statement “I know I won’t be voting for either” is very troubling to me. I fully understand your view that neither can appeal to a voter with a biblical view, and I certainly agree that neither Obama nor Romney will uphold the core of Christian principles. I have done everything I know to do (physically and prayerfully) in the 2004, 2008, and 2012 elections to support who I believed to be a solid, Bible-believing, Christian to be nominated. But, left with the two choices this year, I do plan to “hold my nose” again and vote for Romney for other reasons. Personally, I will have difficulty reading any of your posts that would be critical of the actions of whichever one takes the Office of President. How will you justify your positions if you sit out the election by not voting, but later express opposition to presidential actions?
Jerry B,
You seems to think that God is dependent on our Republic. A Republic that has obviously already lost its moral foundation. Does your vote really determine the future of this nation or do the actions of the people in the nation determine the future?
America will get the leader that it deserves. Even Christian leadership positions in America are largely controlled by the power brokers of our two political establishments. Contrary to the opinion of some, God never told us to vote for our leaders. He told us to pray for leaders ruling over us, and that was for our own sake.
The nominations for the Presidential election are over. Once again there is no solid Bible believing Christian to vote for. So go ahead and vote for what you think are the lessor of two evils and see if it changes the judgments that will be coming on America. I am not into that fantasy.
I am for a real choice. So start a Christian Conservative Party where Christians actually get nominated and where Christians actually have a voice and I will come out and vote.
Holding your nose and voting for what you think is a lessor evil might not even have the better outcome that you might expect. How do you really know who is the lessor evil, and how do you know this will not bring race riots and the very things you fear from the socialists? When that happens which party will get the blame and which party will benefit from the turmoil in the future? I think you know. So if you win you lose anyway! It would be nice if Romany’s Americanism would bring America back to Happy Days but it won’t because the people in America have changed radically since that time.
And when that civil upheaval starts do you really think the Republicans will not go into the usual appeasement mode and not go out of their way to give the government dependents everything they want?
My blog positions are based on a Christian worldview not on a political worldview. As Christians we should give reasonable answers. Paul was certainly not saying that we should be agreeing with world leaders that are hostile toward Christians. All Christians should be critical of world leaders that hinder the free expression of the gospel.
As for national secular material matters, it really does not matter. God is our provider and He fully knows how to give us leaders that will provide for all of our needs, and He can do it under any earthly form of Government in any nation on earth, as He always has in the past.
Don’t put your faith in worldly government no matter what political handle they are using in this era. They all lead to the same humanist end. I am presently writing an article on that.
Don,
Your post reminds me of Isaiah and the way in which he uses rulers and nations to bring about his ultimate purpose. I think your spot on. We have come to think, in our Republic, that we are in control of where the nation goes. We are not. We can pray for our nation, and leaders… But ultimately, God will bring about his ultimate purpose, which may and often is not at all the outcome we think it should be.
Rod
JerryB,
Romney vs Obama
Is Romney’s political stance much different than Obama’s ?
No, I don’t think so, take a look at Romney’s track record in Massachusetts, not to mention an occultist religion that concerns me.
What ?…am I to vote for Romney because he is titled as a Republican Conservative ?…when in actuality, he is a near doppelganger to Obama.
Is this about…it doesn’t matter which side you choose, just choose one of Satan’s Minions or you have no right to complain ?
OK then, my vote is for “none of the above”.
Oh and by the way…
The U.S. vote to ouster Hosni Mubarak out of Egypt for democracy was a bad vote but so was leaving him in for the sake of supposed freedom and democracy…so, what is the solution ?
I encourage those who read this to vote for Jesus “Yeshua” Christ, The Messiah…he is the only hope period !
David and Don:
Deut. 1:13: “Choose wise and discerning and experienced men from your tribes, and I will appoint them as your heads.”
If Jesus Christ was on the ballot, I would vote for him. But, He is not!
Is Romney’s political stance much different than Obama’s? I don’t know. But this I do know: IT CERTAINLY CAN’T BE WORSE THAN OBAMA! If Romney is one of Satan’s Minions, give him a chance to prove it. Personally, and it is my opinion, he is not. If you believe he cannot lead in a better way for the whole of the country, sit this one out.
I do not intend to sit out the election. After I have voted, and when, or if, my candidate is elected and shows flaws, I will have a right to call him out. Your views can only be respected by your readers when your actions speak louder than your words.
Hi Don,
No more compromise for me. I agree with you and have felt this way for a long time. Good Christians will differ on the issue of voting in this election, or any election for that matter. I agree with whoever said that the men behind the pulpits matter more than the man in the white house.(We are in trouble). I would add that individual Christians living lives unspotted from the world and godly homes make a greater impact on society than free elections.(Again-trouble). European nations also enjoy free elections and continue their downward slide toward totalitarianism. So I am prepared for the verbal onslaught by Christians about how I give up my right to complain and how I am de-facto voting for Obama by not voting for Romney. I read the other day that both sides have thousands of attorneys waiting in the sidelines in the event that the election is very close. It’s enough to disgust any Constitutionalist. The winner used to be the winner, even if only by 1 vote, and was vested with the same amount of constitutional authority as the one who won by thousands of votes, and the voters (supposedly) decided and not the judicial branch. Finally, touch-screen voting and optical scanner voting (black box voting) ought to make any reasonable person doubt in the integrity and actual validity of voting in our country any more.
Jerry B,
You can vote for who you want but I have news. We are not Israel and God was not talking to Americans about choosing the wise and discerning from the twelve tribes of Israel in that passage.
A Mormon Bishop is already a demonic cult leader. That fact already tells me he is not wise and discerning and he certainly is not part of any Holy nation. He already has proved that he is one of Satan’s minions by promoting his satanic substitute religion in place of the true Gospel of Christ.
You think someone cannot be worse than Obama? Maybe, but you can’t really know that, and worse about what? Worse for the United States or worse for the spiritual Body? We already now have half of our Christian leaders and their followers thinking that Mormons are Christians because they like his Americanism message. It will all lead to the Harlot of Revelation 17, but you do not see a problem with that?
Here is one thing you may not have considered. If Obama is reelected the American people will turn against him when he brings America into further decline and then they may actually get rid of his kind in America. Presidents can be removed if damning information is brought out, and I am sure that there is enough of that around to sink Obama’s boat if certain people turn on him.
However, if Romney gets elected, he will get blamed for everything that is bound to go wrong and then someone like Hillary Clinton will be unbeatable forevermore.
What recent Republican President ever had the power to actually carry out the platform that he ran on anyway? Do you actually think things would be much better now if John McCain was in office for the last four years? I think race riots and more wars would have just been added to the mix. I think Americans would now be dumping him for Hillary, if we even had elections. Keep in mind that there would have been no Tea Party and no Republican victory in the House in 2010 and the democrats would still also have controlled the Senate. There is a good chance that MCCain would have been impeached and removed. If the people turn again Romney in 2014 the same thing can happen.
The American election is only one move on the world chessboard. Just because a bishop might be moved into place does not mean the outcome of the game can be determined.
We need fundamental changes in all branches of our government because almost none of them are now abiding by our Constitution. When ugly hits, cosmetic changes only cover the problem. They do not change the underlining ugliness.
Don,
We have been painting over dry rot for quite sometime… Avoiding the serious problems underneath the surface and hoping someone else down the road will do what needs to be done.
I agree with you… Another chess piece on the board…
Rod
Hello Don,
Well once again you hit the nail right on the head. A vast majority of so called Christians really do not have any idea what is really going on in this world. So many people that call themselves Christains, scoff at me when I express my world views. They either don’t believe all the things going on today have anything to do with Satan or that we are in the end days. It amazes me how many people have been fooled by Obama. They can’t see or hear the deception this man has placed before them over the last four years. And so many want more of him for a second term. Are they that stupid and ignorant? Yep..THEY ARE.! We as a nation are under judgement by God. So you are right, there is nothing left for this nation but more judgement. I agree Romney will be no better for this nation than Obama.
We are truly a fallen nation that has forgotten or true Savior, Jesus Christ and a nation that refuses to repent of our sins.
Rod In Oregon,
Yeah, I agree.
And when the house infested with dry rot collapses, it won’t be rebuilt as the original builders intended…far from it.
But our longing is for the house where ‘moth and rust’ do not destroy.
Well put David, and Mike, that is so true. It is amazing how many people, Christians and non believers are really unaware of what is really happening. The profound lack of understanding around both of our Presidential candidates is quite stunning. Neither of these two are capable of “saving” the U.S. economy. I liken it to our economy being a train headed for the cliff of debt (which happens when you completely ignore Proverbs)… Obama will keep the train headed for the cliff at 80 mph; Romney might slow it to 65 mph… But the end result will be the same. There are no economists saying anything other than this reality. It is not a matter of if, it is a matter of when. And to think that if we just had a revival, and the nation repented, all this would “magically” go away is really not likely. Repentance rarely leads to a removal of the consequences of poor choices… I like what Don and others have said… We put our trust in God to look out for us, not any human government.
Just a few morning thoughts… 🙂
Rod in Oregon
Brothers,
Your comments have been very helpful in confirming my view of “no compromise” when it comes to voting. I would like to add that after having done some research, I wonder that any informed person believes anymore in the integrity of the voting process as it stands today. I refer to black box voting(touchscreen and optical scanner), as well as all the other problems of voter fraud that are exploited by either side. I love what Don said, how we are commanded to pray for our leaders, the Scriptures don’t command us to vote. Let’s be much in fervent prayer. Let’s be prepared for whatever happens in November knowing that God is in control. Out help is not in man. I believe we’re in greater trouble due to the men we have behind many pulpits than due to the ones we have in office.
I would say that there is just as much possibility that Obama could hear and receive the gospel as there is that Romney will. Quite often the most immoral people are the ones that eventually realized that they need God’s Savior, while the nice moral Mormon thinks that his good works will save Him.
God is not limited by American politics, but when the people of the nation choose evil, God is not going to be in it.
Mathematically, counting debt and interest, it is virtually impossible that any elected official would have much impact on the economy…or the $16+T debt itself.
I don’t see the U.S. government giving tax breaks and easing tariffs for businesses to thrive in this nation ever again…the opposite is true, bigger government and harsher taxes and tariffs to keep the government entity afloat.
We just saw a few weeks ago, a 1200 page $1T+ spending bill approved to keep the government entity afloat for the (projected) next 6 months…
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/13/house-approves-stopgap-1047-trillion-spending-bill/
And, for the Romney “save us” voters, please note, that VP hopeful Paul Ryan went along with it also.
As has been said in the above statements, if it were to be so for the U.S. to come out of this on a positive note, we’d need supernatural intervention by The Lord God Almighty…man has no solution to fix his mess, again.
You guys are right on………………….!
romney won the debate but it doesnt really matter because he is just another puppet on the strings.
My bumper sticker reads: “Ted Nugent For President” 🙂
I laugh / chuckle every time I think about it. And then do the “Larry the Cable Guy” rant: “Lord, I Apologize For That, Please Bless so and sow…” Chuckle 🙂
That is not to be taken seriously 🙂 [actually, the connection is work related (in the family)… PRS Guitars, but I digress]
Since the U.S. voting public is not concerned whatsoever about electing a potential President with a Biblical World View, I would hope that they/we would vote for a President that at least addressed the issues plaguing this nation.
But, no, that is not the case either.
Everything I’ve read from the voting public is on the Romney bandwagon right now because he “looked” better than Obama.
Same with 2008, Obama/Biden “looked” better than the old man McCain…never mind that Sarah Palin was made to look like an airhead on the Katie Couric interview, which she is not.
So, I suppose if McCain would have looked like Brad Pitt and with Sarah Palin, they probably would have won hands down, regardless of any interview.
The Voting Public talking about how the 1st debate “looked”…nothing being said from the man/woman on the street on the issues…if they even have a clue what the 1st debate issues were about.
So, maybe the elections should just be a talent contest, a swimsuit dress up, & a pole dance.
Praise the name of The Lord Jesus Christ,
These post about the Christian world view was very interesting to me. 10-15% of Americans may have a Christian world view. That sounds about right. Some would like to blame the church pastors, but in fact they can only teach what the people want to hear, the social gospel. Up lifting songs, a few jokes, a message to make everyone feel good. It’s like they want to park their heads with the cars in the parking lot, and take their emotions into the church to get a refill. The Lord tells us in the K.J.V. Bible that we are to Rightly Divide The Word of Truth 2 Tim 2:15. However, preachers are discouraged from preaching Paul’s Gospel, which is the one the Lord will use to judge the secrets of man’s hearts Romans 2:16. In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. 1 Cor.15:1-4. Eph 1:13.
We as a nation are in a sad shape when we have to choose between a man who was raised as a Muslim. Then he says was converted to the Christian faith, but had no idea he pastor was a racist preaching racism. Just of late he wants to cancel The National Day of Prayer, but then prays with his Muslim brothers. I guess Christians do not count with him!
On the other hand we have a very rich man, who wants to be a god someday, and thinks he will be the person to usher in God’s 1,000 year Kingdom here in the USA. How? He doesn’t know, but he plans to become the first dictator of the United States of America.
Everyone needs to read the book The God Makers. You can get a used copy for about $6 plus postage at Amazon.com What Mitt and his mormon leaders are planning and hoping for is, that Americans are just blind sheep following the blind.
Why would anyone vote for him? Really why? Well, I think it because he is telling the people all the things they want to hear, but he is a liar and the truth he will not show you. If he was to show us what he all about, only mormons would vote for him. He has nothing common with most of us. Even the so called Christians would have noting to do with him, and would laugh at some of his religious beliefs.
Mitt Romney lost the Iowa Primary, but the Republican party give to him any way. That gave him a head state or else Rick Santorum might have won the national primary. It seems to me like it was fixed!
A friend asked me, why did I think we (USA) are not mentioned in the Book of Revelation? He said could be we are not around or have we turned our back on Israel? Could be.
I can not vote for a mormon high priest! SHAME ON ANY WHO DOES.
The reasons “why” we (USA) are a “non-mention” / “not around” / “irrelevant” are obvious. I’m concerned with “how” we are a “non-mention.” There are many and various “hows”, but I think that ultimately it will be the lack of preparation, particularly “grounding” and ‘shielding” (for which the DEMs squarely are against [they have made every attempt to thwart the “shield act”] and / or they believe the “elite” will “save” them or their plans for “humanism” [i.e., buying up billions of bullets)] will “save” them / us — all the plans of the wicked will ultimately back-fire).
With that said, it seems like a hunch of mine that Mitt could be elected (all the court battles and civil unrest and what have you not withstanding), only to see the USA fall victim to the prophesy of Isaiah 18 — that is totally a hunch and I have no real backing. Sort of what leads me down this hunch is that I keep wondering why 911 occurred 8 months in to GW Bush’s [first] term and not during Clinton’s 2nd term? Hmmm… Very puzzling…
Now the other scenario is that Obama/DEMs “fix” things (since the courts are just humanism puppets and have no respect for the very constitution that gives the judicial institution the right to exist in the first place) so he can proceed unfettered with the destruction of the middle class and all the race baiting and civil unrest and social control humanism (by force), which then results in the swing to the right, which will completely take the mantle of social control humanism.
Just two cents. Regardless, the true believing Christian (who believes God) should be doing preparation (particularly US) for the “non-mention” — first things first, as I seemingly increasingly do, is ignore all the low level human debating and turn the conversations back to “confession and repentance and truth”;