26 thoughts on “A God given right to the land of Israel”

1. I just want to clarify something to the last poster.
   This is a dspensational premillennial Blog that speaks of end time prophecy and posts world and Church views from that Orthodox Christian theology. Any Crusaders from some other theology that comments here to attack my beliefs and thinks that they can judge my Christianity by their own theology will simply be deleted.

2. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:28-29)

3. That is well understood but we are not talking about those in Christ here we are talking about natural Israel that has been blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in. God made covenant promises to natural Israel and land promises to natural Israel. Even the New Covenant given in Jeremiah was a promise given to natural Israel without preconditions. The Church was grafted into the commonwealth of Israel and the wild branches attained the promised covenant before the natural but the promise was still made to the natural and the physical fulfillment will be to natural Israel because God cannot lie or break His Covenants. For if He did, why would the promises He made to the Church be any more secure?.

   Now if you want to start a heretical replacement theology debate here or attack my Christianity you will be deleted.

4. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal 3:28-29)

   But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. (Gal 4:4-5)

   Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth? (Gal 4:16)

   For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. (Gal 4:22-31)

5. Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

6. Again the scripture does not nullify promises to natural Israel. Nobody is denying that natural Israel is in bondage to the flesh and the Church is free. Israel must come in the same way we did by belief in the Messiah that God gave. She will not get her Savior until that occurs (Zec 12:10). Now you know the reason she will go through the time of Jacob’s trouble (Jer 30:7). You simply cannot nullify all the physical promises and prophecies to natural Israel written about by the prophets because you have been blessed by the grace of God and have come in first.

   Look, I cannot do a theology debate on specific blog topics they become endless. I already wrote all I care to on this subject in a very long article on Amillennial Theology. If you really want to know my arguments on all this you will read it. If you want to argue against it there are dispensational websites and newsgroups that hold the same views that will accommodate you because that is their main focus. I do not have the time to get off on rabbit trails and very few will read these comments to make my time or your time worthwhile.

   Here is the link to my long article.

   http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/amillennial.HTM

7. No theology partner, just God’s Word. And you are actually arguing with His Word. He wrote it clearly enough. When did I suggest that I was Amillennial? Could it be that you really do see truth but you have to deny it because it destroys your premises?

   To the Jews:

   And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Heb 9:22-28)

   For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God. Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law; Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. (Heb 10:1-10)

   He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

   For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. (Heb 10:14)

   By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward. (Heb 11:24-26)

   But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain. Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear: For our God is a consuming fire. (Heb 12:22-29)

   Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. (Heb 13:8-10)

   “… it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.”

8. J

   You obviously did not read the article. It is about much more than amillennial theology. It gets into the arguments of covenant versus dispensational theology which is the heart of issue.

   Your views are coming from a position of covenant theology whether you know that or not. You say it is just scripture but it is much more. It is the meanings that you place on the scriptures. Your theology of the Church being Israel does not explain the prophetic passages and detail of the OT etc etc etc. There are many arguments why we see different meanings from the same passages and that is why there are theologies. The view that you can just read scripture and understand it all is simplistic. Tell that to the thousand different denominations who read the same Bible you do but see the meaning of some of the passages differently.

   Like I said we are not going to argue theology on this post . I only wrote a total of 35 words of introduction to what Chuck Missler said in his article here. If you want to argue theology with what HE said be my guest. He can be found at http://www.khouse.org but I do not think he will be responding to positions of covenant theology because those arguments are the very reason why the Church is spit on these two theologies.

   Covenant versus dispensational theology is not going to be resolved by arguments coming from you when it has not been resolved by the best minds in Christianity. Nobody is convincing the other side because it all depends on one’s belief that the scriptures demand a literal fulfillment or if you can place a allegorical spiritual fulfillment on the passages speaking about Israel. In fact both can be true.

   We certainly are not going to resolve the issues here. If you want my position read my article because it does get into dispensational versus covenant theology and I wrote it so I do not have to waste my time writing about the same arguments every time someone with your point of view comes along to my website and blogs. Since the Church is split on this it is something that I hear quite often and I know with certainty that these issues of theology are not going to be resolved here. So why waste your time and my time?

   http://www.thepropheticyears.com/comments/amillennial.HTM

9. “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” Don, some people just don’t understand what they are reading, they see certain verses and pick them out, instead of reading the whole story around that verse. God does not break covenants, but man does. We should not be worrying about what news article, this or that, we should be focused on the plan of salvation that was started when the “earth was formless and void and darkness was over the surface of the deep”.

   Some people need to get on their knees with their Bible in front of them and ask God for wisdom in what they are reading. “If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. James 1:5” “That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God. 1 Corinthians 2:5”

10. Joel,

    Well said. God has one plan for one unified people according to the Scriptures. He died on the cross, and in addtion to bringing salvation by grace (without the works of law) for a people incapable of obtaining it, he made one people of God with Jews and Gentiles. He finished the workand now reigns in the hearts of His people. After the reality of sacrifice and the reality of rule, there would be no use to return to the type used to instruct us of this spiritual reality.

    Don,

    I am not wasting my time telling the truth. To you, I wrote almost exclusively scripture, and you found yourself arguing with scripture assuming I understood that very scripture in light of what it actually said. I am not an Amillennialist.

    The first scriptures dealt with Gentiles who were being told by Jews that they needed to come again under the law – circumscision. The second set was written to Jews explaining to them that the promises to Abraham were fulfilled in Christ.

    Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD. Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes; For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited. Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more. For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called. For the LORD hath called thee as a woman forsaken and grieved in spirit, and a wife of youth, when thou wast refused, saith thy God. For a small moment have I forsaken thee; but with great mercies will I gather thee. In a little wrath I hid my face from thee for a moment; but with everlasting kindness will I have mercy on thee, saith the LORD thy Redeemer. For this is as the waters of Noah unto me: for as I have sworn that the waters of Noah should no more go over the earth; so have I sworn that I would not be wroth with thee, nor rebuke thee. For the mountains shall depart, and the hills be removed; but my kindness shall not depart from thee, neither shall the covenant of my peace be removed, saith the LORD that hath mercy on thee. O thou afflicted, tossed with tempest, and not comforted, behold, I will lay thy stones with fair colours, and lay thy foundations with sapphires. And I will make thy windows of agates, and thy gates of carbuncles, and all thy borders of pleasant stones. And all thy children shall be taught of the LORD; and great shall be the peace of thy children. In righteousness shalt thou be established: thou shalt be far from oppression; for thou shalt not fear: and from terror; for it shall not come near thee. Behold, they shall surely gather together, but not by me: whosoever shall gather together against thee shall fall for thy sake. Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy. No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD. (Isaiah 54)

    This is the whole of the Lord’s people – Jews and Gentiles – one final plan.

    And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife. And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal; And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel: (Rev 21:9-12)

11. J

    I am not arguing against scriptures. I am arguing against why you are using them on this post. You obviously are using them as your argument against the Jews right to their own homeland because you think Israel is the Church. I am not an idiot.

    What is the point of just posting scriptures if you have nothing to say? I almost certainly know the scriptures better than you do. I do not need you posting passages that I have studied scores of time before. You cannot just rip certain passages out of scripture and use them as a case in point without understanding the big picture. That is what Joel was saying.

    I do not know how many times I have told you in different ways that I agree that unbelieving natural Israel needs to accept her Savior to enter in. Nobody is saying the promises are not fulfilled in Christ but that does not mean that there are not some promises to Israel that have not yet been fulfilled and cannot be fulfilled until they accept their Messiah, but they will be fulfilled as written because God keeps His covenants and cannot lie.

    Jew and Gentile believers are God plan in Christ but on earth there are still distinctions between Jews and Gentiles. Just as the same passage says there is no male or female in Christ but Paul then gives instructions to the church about the different roles of males and females while occupying this body of flesh.

    Again you have covenant theology and I have dispensational theology even if you are not amillennial. My arguments apply to post millennial and preterist as well. If you cannot understand the distinctions in theology you need to because these theological disputes are not going to be resolved here no matter if you recognize your covenant theology views or not.

    One thing is certain if you keep wasting my time going over and over these same points you will be banned.from this blog.

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12. I must say that I find it very suspicious that you reply to an article on Israel, now celebrating its 60 years of independence, with Bible verses aiming at disproving dispensational premillenialist theology and leading others to believe in some form of replacement theology which, unsurprisingly, is in an extreme form the type of theology that the most vicious antisemite “Christians” and cults from various denominations hold on to and justify their hatred of the Jewish people with, whether they’re Protestants, Catholics/Orthdox or Jehovah’s Witnesses – doesn’t matter.

    We see the same hatred of God’s people being shared by anti-religious Marxists, humanistic proponents of Universalism or syncretic religions (New Age, etc) and the religion of Islam. The latter is obviously anti-Israel (and not surprisingly also anti-Christian!!!). This is evident from its religious writings and throughout history. I believe that the example of Islam alone should tell us that there is something not quite right about replacement theology. In Islam the Arabs, the offspring (literal or to some degree symbolically) are God’s “chosen people” as he (allah) sent his “Last Prophet” (i.e. Muhammad) to bring allah’s true religion (i.e. “Islam”) to the Arabs and to propagate this religion to the “people of the book”, i.e. Jews and Christians. Not only that, but according to a Hadith (recorded “Sunnah”, tradition regarding Muhammad), the “Prophet” actually ascended to heaven in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount while the Qur’an is silent about Jerusalem. The Holy Land was conquered by the Muhammadan Jihadists and Jerusalem (God’s holy city) taken and a mosque was built where the Temple used to stand since Muhmmad supposedly ascended there and Abraham was willing to offer his son (Ishmael, according to the Qur’an). Palestinians are now destroying evidence that the Temple was there, only to “pove” the Jews are not connected to the place so they can justify their hatred of them and claim the land God gave to them to be theirs.

    Islam is a twisting of the truth, a half truth, but essentially a lie that was designed to counter God’s plan with Israel. Replacement theology is no different. Why is it we see the same hatred of Jews among many proponents of replacement theology, including (sad to say) the reformer Martin Luther in the 16th Century? Coincidence? Most certainly not.

    The Bible is quite clear about the fact that physical Israel would be restored, that Jews will come to belief in Christ and testify of Him. Look at history! Nowhere it is said in the Bible that God’s people is somehow supreme – God has punished Israel before and the Jews do need Christ for their salvation. Yet Israel remains His chosen people, and through His work with Israel He manifests His glory to mankind. Those who are out to destroy His people will be wiped off the earth, they will fear and tremble before God when He pours out His wrath on them. I am looking forward to that day when Israel’s haters will be called to justice.

    You have repeatedly said you are not an amillenialist, then why don’t you also tell us what you *are*? Are you a postmillenialist? A non-dispensationalist (aka historic) premillenialist? Or are you just here to provoke?

    I suggest that you actually read Don’s articles and do some better research. Perhaps you do see the truth but you are the one who is afraid to admit because it might destroy your “premises”? Just a thought.

    If not and you still disagree, that’s your good right, but please set up your own website, forum or blog to inform us on your own interpretation of Revelation then.

    Thank you. And may the one and unchanging God of Israel be with you.

13. God’s people are Christians. The Bible is clear on this issue. Jews that are Christians, as were the apostles, are God’s people. Anyone who is not a true Christian is not part of God’s family. They are not in Christ, and Christ is not in them.

    To suggest for a moment that those folks who live in Israel that are not Christians are in God’s family is outside of the bounds set by Almighty God Himself concerning His Son!

    Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

    This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

    Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

    This is the same Stone upon which you have stumbled.

14. Don,

    I posted the Scriptures that answered your topic. I did not think God needed any of my help in expressing what He already expressed.

    To these Scriptures, I will stake my life. And you also know what these Scriptures express. Because of these Scriptures, and NOT MY WORDS, you have accused me of saying many things I have not said at all.

    This is valid proof that you know what God has said, and you remain stiff-necked toward outside opinions. This reminds me of the great literalists in Jesus’ day. They were looking for a literal and physical king – messiah. He told them His Kingdom was not of this world, so they killed Him.

    Some of them tried to make Him their national king. But Jesus would have nothing to do with their plan. (So much for them rejecting Him as King – they rejected Him as the Son of God – Messiah – and King of Israel already established.

    When Jesus therefore perceived that they would come and take him by force, to make him a king, he departed again into a mountain himself alone. (John 6:15)

    Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. (John 1:49)

    I am not trying to establish any particular theology. This is just truth from God’s perfect Word.

15. I never said the unbelieving Jews were in God’s family. I said God still has a plan for natural Israel. Even bible prophecy says that only one third of those in the Land will be refined through the fires of the tribulation and two thirds will be cut off.

    God said He will intercede for the people of Israel for His own name sake not that the people deserved it. The nations will be judged on how they treat Israel because they rejected the scriptures and presumed to come against His covenant people in His covenant land.

    Understand, God can have grace on anyone He pleases to have grace on. He had grace on us Gentiles who deserved no grace and most of the Gentiles are now rejecting Him so why can God not now return His Grace to Israel in these last days if He so pleases? Well, God said He will. What is going on now in the Middle East is just setting the stage for all that the prophets said would happen just prior to the restoration of the Kingdom on earth ruled by Jesus Christ. He is the King of the Jews by the way.

    The Messiah had to be Jewish and has to fulfill all scripture in regard to Israel. Just because He was cut off because of their unbelief does not mean that He will not fulfill the Messianic role God gave Him..

16. Don,

    He already fulfilled His role! He is reigning NOW.

    Is their really a difference between the phrase “God’s Covenant people” and “God’s people.” I do not think so since “God’s people” who are now in Christ are His covenant people – in the second covenant – the one that is everlasting – the new covenant.

    Then verily the first covenant had also ordinances of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. For there was a tabernacle made; the first, wherein was the candlestick, and the table, and the shewbread; which is called the sanctuary. And after the second veil, the tabernacle which is called the Holiest of all; Which had the golden censer, and the ark of the covenant overlaid round about with gold, wherein was the golden pot that had manna, and Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tables of the covenant; And over it the cherubims of glory shadowing the mercyseat; of which we cannot now speak particularly. Now when these things were thus ordained, the priests went always into the first tabernacle, accomplishing the service of God. But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people: The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and of goats, with water, and scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book, and all the people, Saying, This is the blood of the testament which God hath enjoined unto you. Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Heb 9)

    Ask the Holy Spirit, He’ll explain it to you.

17. Brother:
    If you ever did anything with fruit trees, you would know that a grafted tree becomes 1 tree, not two. Read Romans 9-11. There are not 2 Israel’s, but 1. Not 2 Peoples of God but 1. I am not anti-Israel, but you have to see that Israel as a nation is no friend of Christ. Just ask pastors in Israel that fight 5-10 years for a building permit. All Israel is not Israel.
    Greg

18. On your second post. Nobody questions the scriptures, We question your suggestion as to what they mean.

    Nobody is accusing you of anything. I am still waiting for you to say something worthwhile instead of just posting scriptures that can be refuted with other scriptures. I keep telling you that covenant theology and dispensational theology cannot be in agreement. So why would you expect agreement when it has not been achieved by the best minds of both theologies?

    What is your purpose anyway? Do you just like to argue?

    Jesus had to go to the cross or you would not be saved. That is why he would not allow them to make Him king before the appointed time. Jesus had to fulfill scripture.

    Jesus actually may have said His kingdom is not of the age. World also means age in Greek. it is a matter of your choice of word. They killed Him because he claimed to be equal to God not because He said His kingdom was not of this world. That is a ridiculous statement.

    It would be nice if you had some truth from God’s word. I am not hearing any from your assertions.

19. Don,

    I am tired of writing to you. You have just said that Scripture is not worthwhile. (“I am still waiting for you to say something worthwhile…”) I already told you that the scripture said what I wanted to say to you better than I could express it.

    The scriptures I use are longer than a modern man-centered statements because I want the whole context to be seen.

    The Greek is clear on exactly what Jesus meant, and the majority of generations of Christians understood what he meant. In these last dregs of the Down-Grade, men now agree with a barrage of secondary meanings. These meanings are twisted into scripture to substantiate a premise. The dispensationalists premise is first, then the Scripture backs it.

    The Christian’s method first employs scripture and lets the meaning flow.

    Good bye

20. Your wasting my time which may be your purpose. I said I would not get sucked into a endless debate on covenant versus dispensational theology and I meant it. So thats the end of my comments on this topic.

    If you wish to debate yourself be my guest. If you start making personal insulting comments about me or anyone else making comments on this blog (like J did on the first comment that I deleted) you will be totally banned from posting further comments anywhere on this blog.

    Enjoy!

21. Looks like J quit so I will answer Greg.

    There is one tree it is the commonwealth of Israel. Natural branches were broken off so the wild could be grafted in but God can also graft the natural back into their own tree and He implies that He will.

    I also totally agree that the Jews in Israel today are not friends of Christ but God specially called it His land and woe to any nation that tries to make it their own. If God wants to kick out the Jews from His land He has done that before and can do it again but from my understanding of scripture the next major happening to Israel will be what the Bible calls Jacob’s trouble.

22. The Bible quotes J sent you were right on. I do not believe he was derogatory toward you. It is too bad that you deleted the comment you say he insulted you. So you make me take your word for it? I do not believe you.

    “el-Nasrani” did not make too much sense, but I see he is a friend of yours since he has written much for you on this web site. He did sound rude. Perhaps your other readers can see it.

    I think “Greg” is correct also. Mathew 24:24 is already fulfilled, and the last physical temple is now gone. It fell because the Jews brought sacrifices after Christ paid the ultimate price.

    Do you think he is going to restore the sacrificial system again in some future time?

    Any way, I enjoyed J’s comments.

23. This is a joke, right? I can not believe suddenly a guy called “J” pops up refuting Don’s views on Revelation and then Greg” comes along and “Warner” tells us how much he enjoyed J’s comments and agrees with “Greg”.

    I don’t regret any of my comments. I don’t claim to be right always, and I’m willing to admit where I was wrong. In fact I have admitted a few times when I realized I was wrong. Yet I take full credit for all I write and I always right what I think myself. The fact that I often comment on these blogs doesn’t mean I am always in agreement with Don, although I often am, yes. So what are you accusing me of – bias, naivety? Is the fact that I am often in agreement with Don or that I comment a lot on these blogs somehow a reason to ignore my arguments or consider them invalid? Grow up, man!

    Rather than responding to my arguments, you have just posted the same nonsense over and over again. Yes, I call it nonsense because it is a simplistic, selective and loose interpretation of the Bible. If you were really interested in debating you would at least have taken the time to read Don’s material first and have checked out some other sites that explain the dispensational view on Christian eschatology. Yet you chose not to.

    I won’t waste my time responding again to your non-arguments for a 2nd time in row. If you’re so interested in debating Christian eschatological views in a serious manner, you should first do your homework. And even then this is not the right place to argue, as Don has pointed out.

    If I may add that I also find it bad taste that you would start this kind of a discussion arguing in favor of replacement theology (that’s basically what it is, whether you wish to call it that way or not) in response to a thread about the state of Israel for God’s sakes.

    Walter, Greg, J, whoever you are, stop acting silly and learn to debate maturely.

24. “I always *write* what I think myself”, not “right”.. Sorry, that’s the kind of mistakes you get when typing too fast.

25. Well, whoever you are I deleted J’s first comments because after his attack I was going to ban him but after he followed up with a scripture post I decided he wanted to take a civil approach so I responded.

    Let me just say that el-Nasrani is one of the most brilliant young minds I have met, any wise person would take heed to his inputs here. He like I get aggravated by the blindness of this present generation. The fact that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled in this generation should be clear to anyone who can make world observations and read the Bible prophets. The fact that people wish to believe anything but the truth is simply….. prophetic.

    The temple fell because Israel reject their Messiah. Jesus said it would fall.

    Ezekiel chapters 40-48 say the sacrificial system will be restored in the millennium exactly why it will is debatable. The fact that this has never been fulfilled and cannot be allegorical is not debatable.

26. .el-Nasrani said »

    “I always *write* what I think myself”, not “right”.. Sorry, that’s the kind of mistakes you get when typing too fast.

    For someone like yourself who speaks and writes more languages then everyone on this post combined I think it would be excusable if it were not even a typo.

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